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Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
As at 27th November 2024 21:09 GMT
 
Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by GBM at 09:20, 17th November 2024
 
The first Penzance departure from Euston (0833) was eventually cancelled - broken rail around Acton!
(Subsequently noted it is starting from Reading).

Alterations to services between London Euston and Reading
Due to a speed restriction over defective track between London Euston and Reading all lines are blocked.
Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:30 17/11.
Customer Advice
We apologise for the disruption to your journey today.

Network Rail have identified a broken rail joint in the Acton area which needs an immediate repair. Network Rail colleagues are on site and working to fix the track.
It is estimated that it will take until approximately 09:45 to affect the repair and safely open the railway.

The next into Euston from Reading was 9 minutes down, now forming the 0903 to Swansea, but at 0919 left 15 down.
The incoming from Oxford showing 12 down at Willesden West.

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by Timmer at 09:11, 17th November 2024
 
Alterations to services between London Euston and Reading

Due to a speed restriction over defective track between London Euston and Reading all lines are blocked.

Train services running to and from these stations may be delayed or revised. Disruption is expected until 10:30 17/11.

Customer Advice
We apologise for the disruption to your journey today.

Network Rail have identified a broken rail joint in the Acton area which needs an immediate repair. Network Rail colleagues are on site and working to fix the track.
It is estimated that it will take until approximately 09:45 to affect the repair and safely open the railway.

08:33 London Euston to Penzance due 14:06 will be started from Reading.
It will no longer call at London Euston.

08:34 Bristol Parkway to London Euston due 10:43 will be terminated at Reading.
It will no longer call at London Euston.

09:03 London Euston to Swansea due 12:21 is being delayed at London Euston.



Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by Electric train at 08:33, 26th September 2024
 
Access to North Pole to / from the North on the WLL was setup originally for Eurostar Regional services, although the WLL has been signalled in Willesden area the access to North Pole from the North is still a permitted route it does require a reversing move on the WLL most likely at Kensington Olympia

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by ChrisB at 15:22, 25th September 2024
 
I'm guessing it doesn't as GWR looked at that and decided to reverse at Olympia.

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 12:40, 25th September 2024
 
I don't know whether the signalling allows this but it appears from Google Maps and the Signal Maps website that access from/to the Hitachi depot from EUS would be possible using the North Pole Junction (NPJ) diamond crossing. This would potentially be significantly quicker than travelling via Kensington Olympia.

 

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by ChrisB at 11:35, 25th September 2024
 
Another was access to North Pole. Going to EUS means they can access North Pole by simply reversing at Kensington Olympia coming round from EUS

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by bobm at 22:05, 24th September 2024
 
One of the reasons given for not going to London Waterloo was the greater distance the IETs would have to run on diesel.   This would then reduce their range and affect the number of diagrams needed.

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by Western Pathfinder at 21:51, 24th September 2024
 
A long time ago in a land not so far from here,when Paddington was Shut our little train service up to the smoke used to get sent Of to the strange world down by the water,provided that it had the right sort of damper links,on other occasions a trip to the north was on the cards being sent to Marly could this not be possible today ?...

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:58, 24th September 2024
 
That's what I'm here for (mostly).

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by TonyK at 20:22, 24th September 2024
 
A thought..

We seem to have quite a serious case of "thread drift" here - shouldn't most of these recent posts be on the thread about what will happen during the blockades rather than the Lord Hendy one?

Agreed - now done. 

Thank you.

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by Noggin at 18:33, 23rd September 2024
 
Going into Paddington yesterday there seem to be quite a few new OLE gantries on the north side around Old Oak Common, presumably to enable the track to be slewed.   

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:15, 23rd September 2024
 
A thought..

We seem to have quite a serious case of "thread drift" here - shouldn't most of these recent posts be on the thread about what will happen during the blockades rather than the Lord Hendy one?

Agreed - now done. 

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by Timmer at 14:45, 23rd September 2024
 
I suspect that GWR will terminate at Reading should Euston ever get to that state while they are using it. Or Ealing Broadway perhaps for one or two an hour.
I'm expecting that to happen anyway. Not just because of issues at Euston, but because of shortages of traincrew. Off at Reading and all pile onto the Reading-Waterloo stoppers.

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by eightonedee at 14:21, 23rd September 2024
 
A thought..

We seem to have quite a serious case of "thread drift" here - shouldn't most of these recent posts be on the thread about what will happen during the blockades rather than the Lord Hendy one?

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by ChrisB at 10:53, 23rd September 2024
 
I suspect that GWR will terminate at Reading should Euston ever get to that state while they are using it. Or Ealing Broadway perhaps for one or two an hour.

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by Electric train at 09:40, 23rd September 2024
 
I don’t know, it’s almost as if we need a rebuilt Euston station with loads more platforms and space to help the legacy station cope. 

Perhaps at the same time there could be a new, reliable High Speed line to help the legacy trains cope as people flock back to rail travel?

The 1960's design of Euston was based on diminishing numbers of passengers and the view of Intercity would be more "Airline" style travel and not the increase in passenger numbers seen in the past 20 years.  Add to that Euston is constrained with only really one entrance, the Western side being closed off due to HS2 which also means the loss of a number of platforms.
There were plans 15 years ago to convert the Parcels Deck into a new concourse, NR never got the funding for this because HS2 would solve all of Euston's problems as the whole station would be rebuilt, the whole station rebuild was shelved because of the cost HS2 Ltd basically saying to NR your on your own

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by IndustryInsider at 09:14, 23rd September 2024
 
I don’t know, it’s almost as if we need a rebuilt Euston station with loads more platforms and space to help the legacy station cope. 

Perhaps at the same time there could be a new, reliable High Speed line to help the legacy trains cope as people flock back to rail travel?

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by TaplowGreen at 06:59, 23rd September 2024
 
From a train driver at Euston this afternoon.......tweeted under a pseudonym for obvious reasons given Gareth Dennis's fate!

Wow. I've never seen Euston as crazy as this.
Megaphones and police being used for crowd control. Gateline shut because of a train being full and standing to Crewe.

This is not my idea of a safe environment, and I work to this station.

‘Euston’ was trending earlier on X with the now usual pictures of Euston absolutely rammed full of people. I still think having GWR using Euston when Paddington is closed is a crazy idea. The station cannot cope with the services it has now without adding GWR trains and their passengers.

Well, if yesterday was anything to go by, this clip and the attached picture from Euston yesterday is what GWR customers have to look forward to............

https://x.com/JohnBrewin_/status/1837942267824513334

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by Timmer at 20:50, 22nd September 2024
 
From a train driver at Euston this afternoon.......tweeted under a pseudonym for obvious reasons given Gareth Dennis's fate!

Wow. I've never seen Euston as crazy as this.
Megaphones and police being used for crowd control. Gateline shut because of a train being full and standing to Crewe.

This is not my idea of a safe environment, and I work to this station.

‘Euston’ was trending earlier on X with the now usual pictures of Euston absolutely rammed full of people. I still think having GWR using Euston when Paddington is closed is a crazy idea. The station cannot cope with the services it has now without adding GWR trains and their passengers.

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by ChrisB at 16:16, 22nd September 2024
 
Railnews sent out an email last week....I wonder why?

September, 2024

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Make the right call and report it

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Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:10, 22nd September 2024
 
From a train driver at Euston this afternoon.......tweeted under a pseudonym for obvious reasons given Gareth Dennis's fate!

Wow. I've never seen Euston as crazy as this.
Megaphones and police being used for crowd control. Gateline shut because of a train being full and standing to Crewe.

This is not my idea of a safe environment, and I work to this station.

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by Noggin at 12:17, 18th September 2024
 
I wonder if it's a cunning ploy to keep GWR their franchise for the duration of this Parliament? That way they get the heat for the delays, not the state operator ;-)

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by stuving at 00:32, 18th September 2024
 
There's a piece in today's Times headlined "six years of disruption as HS2 works wreak havoc". It says they have seen a presentation given by GWR and NR to MPs whose constituencies will be affected.

Most of the content is rehashed stuff known already, but it also says, for the six years of disruption, "up to a third of weekend and overnight services leaving Paddington will be axed, affecting journeys to Heathrow as well as south Wales, the Cotswold and the west of England". It goes on the explain that at those times only two of four tracks will be in use, allowing 14-15 paths per hour instead of 48-56.

Now at the top end of what that weaselly "up to" suggests, losing a third of trains every night and weekend might be dramatic. At the other end it's just what already happens for routine engineering work on some nights and weekends. However, nothing in the article says where on that scale the effects will be. Maybe that wasn't written in the presentation.

Note that the GWR information on engineering works specifically for Old Oak station already includes most Sundays until Christmas, summarised as:
Fewer train services will run between London Paddington and Reading on the following dates:

    Sundays 8, 15, 22 and 29 September
    Sundays 6, 13, 20 and 27 October
    Sunday 24 November
    Sundays 8 and 15 December

Further impact is expected on Sundays from January to May 2025.

The effects on each day are in GWR's usual summaries for "Planned engineering", and a lot of that, even at of Paddington, is for other reasons, not work at Old Oak.

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by stuving at 15:41, 10th September 2024
 
There was a proving run by an 802 into Euston last Friday (3Q81 0930 from Reading, 3Q82 1109 return), perhaps a final one as press were invited along. IanVisits reported on this, though this version does not match other sources. For one thing it describes gauging as a major reason for it, though that must have been done earlier, and there was that test run in March that isn't mentioned here. Also, it says they stopped at Ealing Broadway to switch to diesel and collect a pilot, whereas the data feeds (via RTT) say that happened at Acton Main Line. On the way back it appears the train only stopped - to drop the pilot? - on the goods line past AML!

IanVisits also says that Waterloo will not after all be used because the platforms are too narrow at their outer ends for the ramps to be deployed. Ealing Broadway will also be used, and that and the  Euston services will (in RTT) be using P1&2. Last week's runs used P3&4 (as will those on Sunday 17 November) but then they ran on the reliefs throughout.

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by TaplowGreen at 21:30, 9th September 2024
 
The Paddington rush can be bad, but the Euston one is worse!


Shhhhhh! Hendy might hear you! 

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by plymothian at 20:44, 9th September 2024
 
The Paddington rush can be bad, but the Euston one is worse!

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by Mark A at 10:02, 9th September 2024
 
Reading all this, fond thoughts for that pre-privatisation was it 3 a day regional railways service skipping both Westbury and Salisbury and reliably timed at just 2 hours 10 minutes between Waterloo and Bath Spa.

Mark

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by Electric train at 07:45, 9th September 2024
 
The long-distance trains will stop at Ealing Broadway for crew handovers and the lowering of the pantograph, but passengers will not be able to get off, nor will passengers on the platform at Ealing be able to board to travel to Euston.

Presumably there must be some good operating reason (to minimise stopping time there?) as an Ealing Broadway stop for in-bound changes for the District and Central Line would seem a good further option for those unable to travel to Paddington?

The reason ............ to prevent the inevitable chaos, Ealing Broadway is a busy station at the best of times adding in embarking and disembarking passengers on diverted services will just delay every service.

Just wondering if the diverted services to / from Euston will use platforms 1 & 2 and the Elizabeth line using 3 & 4

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by eightonedee at 22:01, 8th September 2024
 
The long-distance trains will stop at Ealing Broadway for crew handovers and the lowering of the pantograph, but passengers will not be able to get off, nor will passengers on the platform at Ealing be able to board to travel to Euston.

Presumably there must be some good operating reason (to minimise stopping time there?) as an Ealing Broadway stop for in-bound changes for the District and Central Line would seem a good further option for those unable to travel to Paddington?

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by bobm at 21:24, 8th September 2024
 
Or there won’t be a driver. 


Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by ChrisB at 20:43, 8th September 2024
 
Thanks for that - so anyone looking for a EUS trip out & back might travel during the game as loadings will be light(er)

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by infoman at 05:58, 8th September 2024
 
18 day closure in year 2028,just can't believe its going to take that long considering how long construction work has already been going on.

Sunday 17 november 2024,is the day England will be in action at Wembley against Ireland with a 5pm kick off.

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by ChrisB at 21:43, 7th September 2024
 
...I spent minutes looking for that too!

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 21:33, 7th September 2024
 
It does indeed, ChrisB: I've therefore merged it into the existing topic on this subject here. 


Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by ChrisB at 21:02, 7th September 2024
 
Paddington trains diverted to Euston at Christmas until 2030 and Elizabeth line services disrupted

Great Western Railway planning festive switch of London terminals when construction work at Old Oak Common temporarily closes rail lines

From thhe Standard

Full details of the Christmas disruption that Great Western Railway and Elizabeth line passengers face until the end of the decade can be revealed.

All rail lines in and out of Paddington will be closed on multiple occasions over the next seven or eight years to enable the mainline and HS2 station at Old Oak Common to be completed.

GWR will divert its long-distance trains from Cornwall, Devon and South Wales – and its Night Riveria sleeper train - into Euston, with other services terminating at Reading or Ealing Broadway.

The firm admits it faces a “huge” logistical challenge but was determined to take its passengers direct into central London, though journey times will be about 15 minutes longer. It expects to run a “similar level of service”.

The Elizabeth line – the UK’s busiest rail line, with more than 700,000 passengers a day – will not run between Ealing Broadway and Paddington.

GWR invited the Evening Standard on board one of its test trains to Euston ahead of the first blockade, which is scheduled for Sunday November 17.

This will be followed by a three-day closure of Paddington between December 27 and 29 – meaning no trains in and out of Paddington for a five-day period, due to the shutdown on Christmas day and Boxing day

There will be ongoing closures over each subsequent festive period, including an 18-day closure in 2028 that will also affect the January return to work for thousands of staff.

The work at Old Oak Common will move the existing Great Western main line north through the new station, enabling HS2 passengers arriving from Birmingham to board a GWR, Lizzie line or Heathrow Express service.

It is understood that, under current plans, all three operators will have all their services stop at Old Oak Common.

In addition, Old Oak Common will become the western terminus station for a number of Elizabeth line trains that currently terminate at Paddington.

This is to ensure HS2 passengers have a high frequency of trains to take them into central London prior to the HS2 station opening at Euston – currently envisaged around 2040, assuming the Government can strike a deal with the private sector to build the promised station at Euston.

It has also emerged that discussions have begun about opening a new station at the northern end of the Old Oak Common site, to provide a better connection for London Overground passengers.

At present, Willesden Junction is a 15-minute walk from Old Oak Common – meaning the lack of an interchange with the Overground or Bakerloo line Tube services.

GWR also considered running its long-distance trains, which are typically nine or 10 carriages long, into Waterloo but found that Euston was a better option, especially in terms of platform space.

The bi-mode Hitachi trains have to switch to diesel power after Ealing Broadway, where the pantograph is lowered. However the diesel fumes risked setting off the fire alarms at Waterloo, it is understood.

At Euston, GWR will operate from platforms 14, 15, and 16 on the western side of the station.

When GWR is using Euston, it means the will be used by the UK’s two sleeper trains – the Night Riviera to Cornwall and the Caledonian Sleeper to Scotland.

GWR operations director Richard Rowland said it planned to replicate its Paddington services at Euston as far as possible, with customer services staff, a helpdesk and the use of the first class lounge. GWR is also ensuring its app and wifi operate as normal at Euston.

Mr Rowland said that the new route into Euston could be utilised at other times, should additional HS2 closures be required.

He said: “All the major blockades are at Christmas. They range from five days, right through to an 18-day block in 2028. Progressively we will be doing this for longer periods of time.

“We will have an hourly service from the south-west of England – Cornwall, Devon – and an hourly service from South Wales which will go into Euston.

“We will then have a number of trains which will terminate at Reading, and people can connect there, and we will also have a number of trains that go through to Ealing Broadway for the more local journeys. They will be able to connect there on to the London Underground and into London that way.

“One of the reasons we chose Euston was that it was a relatively quick journey in comparison to Paddington. It will just be 15 minutes extra. Euston is set up for intercity customers.

“We will be transporting a little bit of Great Western Railway to Euston. You will see a little bit of green there. It will be moving a little bit of Paddington over to Euston, but that is not as easy as it sounds.”

Passengers will have the option of transferring onto South Western Railway services to Waterloo from Reading.

“We have worked across the industry to make sure that we understand what the passenger flows will be and there will be sufficient trains to make sure people get to where they want to,” Mr Rowland said

GWR has been testing the practicalities of running trains into Euston since March. Train drivers, under the guidance of GBR Freight drivers, divert off the Great Western line at Acton to connect with the West Coast Main Line at Willesden.

The long-distance trains will stop at Ealing Broadway for crew handovers and the lowering of the pantograph, but passengers will not be able to get off, nor will passengers on the platform at Ealing be able to board to travel to Euston.

The line closures at Old Oak Common will also force the temporary closure of GWR’s North Pole train depot.

It is looking to set up a series of mini depots across its network, including at Didcot Railway Centre museum.

Placed in this board as it affects all routes into Paddington

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by ChrisB at 21:40, 23rd August 2024
 
As I understand those at GWR, all fast trains through OOC will stop, as it will lose paths if some do & some don't (from the current timetable). If everything does, then thw whole timetable still works, just 3 mins slower.

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by IndustryInsider at 22:22, 22nd August 2024
 
One of the long term effects of the station will be after the GW main lines are diverted through the platforms. There will be a permanent 60mph speed limit.  That will add around two minutes to all trains going in and out of Paddington. That will increase if the service is timetabled to call at Old Oak Common. 

It will therefore affect connections across the GWR network. 

I’m puzzled by that as I can’t see it making anywhere near 2 minutes difference to a non-stopping train given the current speeds limit of 50 as far out as Kendal Green.  I would estimate 30 seconds at the most.

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by bobm at 21:59, 22nd August 2024
 
One of the long term effects of the station will be after the GW main lines are diverted through the platforms. There will be a permanent 60mph speed limit.  That will add around two minutes to all trains going in and out of Paddington. That will increase if the service is timetabled to call at Old Oak Common. 

It will therefore affect connections across the GWR network. 

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by JayMac at 21:26, 22nd August 2024
 
I've taken the liberty of renaming this topic to cover all aspects of the 2024 blockade of the Great Western Main Line around Old Oak Common. The passenger service changes and diverts, the logistics for the TOCs, the engineering, and so on.

Here's a link to Network Rail's page on the upcoming work.

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/our-routes/western/hs2-old-oak-common-station/


Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by JayMac at 21:10, 22nd August 2024
 
GWR are also planning to use Didcot Railway Centre during the blockade for the stabling of units. They were testing said stabling today.

More details and pictures courtesy of Tim Dunn on twiXtter.

https://x.com/MrTimDunn/status/1826629312490996213

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by TonyK at 21:40, 19th July 2024
 
Lots of information on what GWR plans to operate during blockades at Old Oak Common over the next few years can be found here:

https://www.gwr.com/travel-information/travel-updates/planned-engineering/oldoakcommon



That looks pretty comprehensive. We have been warned!

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by Timmer at 07:04, 17th July 2024
 
Lots of information on what GWR plans to operate during blockades at Old Oak Common over the next few years can be found here:

https://www.gwr.com/travel-information/travel-updates/planned-engineering/oldoakcommon


Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by Electric train at 18:10, 1st July 2024
 

Is it not also the case that the number of (heavy, slow) freight services running via Acton Wells Junction will cause timetabling issues?

Yes.  When will that freight be electrified - and how slow is "slow" anyway - gone are the days of loose coupled four wheel wagon.   High speed really isn't needed inwards of Ealing for these services - add a few minutes to the journey and it won't significantly reduce the benefit of the easy links from Euston / St.P  KGX


The FOC'w work on a single type of traction from start the starting point to end, they don't like the faff of changing engines, there are very few places on the GW mainline where fright could be electric throughout; so the FOCs will continue to use diesel on the GW.
Then there is the cost of electrifying the UP and DN Poplars and Acton Yard, the FOCs operating margins are tight, Network Rail could only carry the work out if the FOCs fund it or ............. the DfT fund it(nuff said!!!)

On Sunday 30th June GWR ran a Sleeper set from Reading Traincare Depot to London Euston as a test for the upcoming diversions.

Stupid question for the future - why just during diversions?   There used to be sleeper services from Kings Cross, and indeed St Pancras before that, to Scotland but they were all centralised on Euston.  Just asking.

Euston has capacity problems made more acute with the HS2 works

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by grahame at 12:59, 1st July 2024
 
On Sunday 30th June GWR ran a Sleeper set from Reading Traincare Depot to London Euston as a test for the upcoming diversions.

Stupid question for the future - why just during diversions?   There used to be sleeper services from Kings Cross, and indeed St Pancras before that, to Scotland but they were all centralised on Euston.  Just asking.

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by JayMac at 12:43, 1st July 2024
 
On Sunday 30th June GWR ran a Sleeper set from Reading Traincare Depot to London Euston as a test for the upcoming diversions.

Out: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K11265/2024-06-30/detailed
Return: https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:K11264/2024-06-30/detailed

Once at Euston an electric Class 90 was attached to supply shore power. This allowed for the diesel Class 57s to be shut down while the set was in Euston. This is expected to be the plan for the diverted sleeper services to alleviate noise and pollution issues.

Photos of the Night Riviera set at Euston. From a Facebook group.



Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by grahame at 09:01, 30th June 2024
 
I am a bit worried that Go-Op appear to have taken control of grahame's account.

Stakeholder/shareholder?!! 

No - but there is considerable sense in many of the flows they look at, and should they start to operate a reliable service at my local station I would be delighted to help promote it as part of the overall service.  Done properly, an integrated service of 9 GWR trains and 7 Go-op services would boost passenger numbers from just under 70,000 per annum to over 250,000 per annum.

Is it not also the case that the number of (heavy, slow) freight services running via Acton Wells Junction will cause timetabling issues?

Yes.  When will that freight be electrified - and how slow is "slow" anyway - gone are the days of loose coupled four wheel wagon.   High speed really isn't needed inwards of Ealing for these services - add a few minutes to the journey and it won't significantly reduce the benefit of the easy links from Euston / St.P  KGX


Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 08:47, 30th June 2024
 
Is it not also the case that the number of (heavy, slow) freight services running via Acton Wells Junction will cause timetabling issues?

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by GBM at 07:41, 30th June 2024
 
Long term, a GWR link into Euston - with its ten minute walk to St Pancras International and a couple of minutes more to Kings Cross - would make sense.

I am attracted by the idea (sitting In my armchair) of an hourly service Weymouth, Upwey, Dorchester West, Maiden Newton, Chetnole, Yetminster, Thornford, Yeovil Interchange, Yeovil Pen Mill, Castle Cary, Bruton, Frome, Westbury, Trowbridge, Melksham, Chippenham, Royal Wootton Bassett, Swindon, Grove and Wantage, Didcot Parkway, Reading, Hayes and Harlington, Vitus Quercus Venellam and London (Euston).   Connections into that from the whole of the South West and South Wales right up to Worcester and out from that to the Heathrow link at Hayes and to the International link at Euston.

I am a bit worried that Go-Op appear to have taken control of grahame's account.

Stakeholder/shareholder?!! 

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 20:22, 29th June 2024
 
Long term, a GWR link into Euston - with its ten minute walk to St Pancras International and a couple of minutes more to Kings Cross - would make sense.

I am attracted by the idea (sitting In my armchair) of an hourly service Weymouth, Upwey, Dorchester West, Maiden Newton, Chetnole, Yetminster, Thornford, Yeovil Interchange, Yeovil Pen Mill, Castle Cary, Bruton, Frome, Westbury, Trowbridge, Melksham, Chippenham, Royal Wootton Bassett, Swindon, Grove and Wantage, Didcot Parkway, Reading, Hayes and Harlington, Vitus Quercus Venellam and London (Euston).   Connections into that from the whole of the South West and South Wales right up to Worcester and out from that to the Heathrow link at Hayes and to the International link at Euston.

I am a bit worried that Go-Op appear to have taken control of grahame's account.

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by stuving at 17:59, 29th June 2024
 

Could this, therefore, give the opportunity for a bit of much-needed sorting out of the line, while it is quiet? Unless all engineers are going to be busy at OOC.

Plenty of work has already been undertaken recently, especially to the 770 axle counters

Presumably that is this bit of work:
NR will bring forward planned track work. Axle counters, which are essential to safe signalling, are being fitted with “industry first” monitoring equipment to pre-empt failures. “They are still failing, but they are failing less often. That is a big part of the stabilisation,” said Jones.

I take it those are the 770 Frauscher axle counters fitted in 2020-21 to replace all the track circuits out to Slough? Done to improve reliability, of course, and already needing some reliability enhancements!

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by grahame at 15:05, 29th June 2024
 
Excellent crayonista work there. But... run 'em on to the Hammersmith and City / Metropolitan and terminate 'em at Farringdon. :-)

Mark

Don't be silly - use the old bay platforms at Moorgate

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by Mark A at 14:22, 29th June 2024
 
Excellent crayonista work there. But... run 'em on to the Hammersmith and City / Metropolitan and terminate 'em at Farringdon. :-)

Mark

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by grahame at 12:36, 29th June 2024
 
Long term, a GWR link into Euston - with its ten minute walk to St Pancras International and a couple of minutes more to Kings Cross - would make sense.

I am attracted by the idea (sitting In my armchair) of an hourly service Weymouth, Upwey, Dorchester West, Maiden Newton, Chetnole, Yetminster, Thornford, Yeovil Interchange, Yeovil Pen Mill, Castle Cary, Bruton, Frome, Westbury, Trowbridge, Melksham, Chippenham, Royal Wootton Bassett, Swindon, Grove and Wantage, Didcot Parkway, Reading, Hayes and Harlington, Vitus Quercus Venellam and London (Euston).   Connections into that from the whole of the South West and South Wales right up to Worcester and out from that to the Heathrow link at Hayes and to the International link at Euston.

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by a-driver at 09:33, 29th June 2024
 

Could this, therefore, give the opportunity for a bit of much-needed sorting out of the line, while it is quiet? Unless all engineers are going to be busy at OOC.

Plenty of work has already been undertaken recently, especially to the 770 axle counters

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:29, 29th June 2024
 

I’d much rather take the Euston option. Just 5 miles on the WCML, just over 6 miles as a total diversion, plus there shouldn’t be as much traffic between Reading and Ealing Broadway. 

The line into Waterloo hasn’t been without issues either.

That makes perfect sense, as will changing at Reading for the Elizabeth Line if it serves the ultimate destination of the passenger.

Given the state of the infrastructure between Reading & Paddington, the diversion may well be a welcome improvement in reliability.

Could this, therefore, give the opportunity for a bit of much-needed sorting out of the line, while it is quiet? Unless all engineers are going to be busy at OOC.

It may, I suppose, but given current performance, I'm not sure it can wait that long, the deterioration seems to be accelerating.

I would have thought Hopwood would be breaking down Peter Hendy's door demanding that something is done by NR as a matter of urgency given the effect it's having on his company's operation and his customers, the Mayor of London has at least made an effort and secured some resource, but (as usual) there's a deafening silence on the subject from the upper reaches of GWR - one gets the impression that aside from welcoming the occasional politician/celeb on board a train, they are content to while away the remainder of the franchise in the boardroom, taking the big salaries without rocking too many boats.

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by TonyK at 20:44, 28th June 2024
 

I’d much rather take the Euston option. Just 5 miles on the WCML, just over 6 miles as a total diversion, plus there shouldn’t be as much traffic between Reading and Ealing Broadway. 

The line into Waterloo hasn’t been without issues either.

That makes perfect sense, as will changing at Reading for the Elizabeth Line if it serves the ultimate destination of the passenger.

Given the state of the infrastructure between Reading & Paddington, the diversion may well be a welcome improvement in reliability.

Could this, therefore, give the opportunity for a bit of much-needed sorting out of the line, while it is quiet? Unless all engineers are going to be busy at OOC.

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by TaplowGreen at 18:32, 28th June 2024
 
Given the state of the infrastructure between Reading & Paddington, the diversion may well be a welcome improvement in reliability.

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by Electric train at 17:53, 28th June 2024
 
I suspect the main reason for not wanting to use Waterloo is the time it takes, also the capacity at Waterloo.  Euston makes sense using Class 800 and the UP and Down Poplars from Acton Yard onto the North London line, even so the capacity of this route has limitations.

The GWR directors of the 1840's will be spinning in their graves

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by a-driver at 16:28, 28th June 2024
 
I’d much rather prefer taking this route than ‘risk’ using Euston. Time and time again I’m seeing chaos with serious overcrowding at this London termini whenever there’s an issue, which there frequently is, on the west coast mainline.

Waterloo, though a slower route, has more capacity, especially during holiday periods when SWR tend to operate a Saturday timetable.

The thought of now mixing GWR services into Euston to me appears to be a bad idea. Only going to take something minor to go wrong and I can see GWR Euston terminators terminating at Ealing Broadway and Reading, and that’s before we even start talking about shortage of train crew affecting services which usually happens over the Christmas & New Year holidays.

My evidence for the latter is during the Reading blockades how many trains up from the south west ending up terminating at Basingstoke rather than Waterloo or in the case of Bristol & South Wales services, Banbury rather than Paddington?

My advice would be to anyone would be that the timetable may show two GWR services an hour into and out of Euston, but the reality may be something completely different.

Not only that, these direct London trains are liable to be absolutely rammed. Maybe better to use a less busy Reading terminator and change for a SWR service to Waterloo. Slower yes, more reliable yes, likely to be less busy yes.

I’d much rather take the Euston option. Just 5 miles on the WCML, just over 6 miles as a total diversion, plus there shouldn’t be as much traffic between Reading and Ealing Broadway. 

The line into Waterloo hasn’t been without issues either.

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by ChrisB at 15:37, 28th June 2024
 
Extending in route AND I suspect extending in train length.    A 2 car 158 would simply not cope - while Paddington is closed at least, how about the the hourly Swansea to Waterloo IET reversing at Bristol Parkway, and connecting cross platform at Temple Meads with the hourly Taunton to Euston?

That ain't going to happen....
About half of GWR’s trains — probably those serving Cornwall — will start or terminate at Reading. Two trains an hour in each direction from Bristol and Wales are expected to use Euston.

Not only that, these direct London trains are liable to be absolutely rammed. Maybe better to use a less busy Reading terminator and change for a SWR service to Waterloo. Slower yes, more reliable yes, likely to be less busy yes.

May not have any choice - seems as though the Cardiffs are borked for this, so only the Swanseas going to Euston.

The dates in the aricle are those I was given at the Stakeholder conference - so try it all out on November 17th!

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by Timmer at 14:54, 28th June 2024
 
One of the issues with Waterloo is fuel capacity on the IETs.
Could always add some third rail shoes to the IETs.
I’ll get my coat.

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by bobm at 14:13, 28th June 2024
 
One of the issues with Waterloo is fuel capacity on the IETs.

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by Timmer at 10:13, 28th June 2024
 
This having been on the horizon even in 2021, there's now a real sense of incoherence in the way that the DfT waded in and twisted everyone's arms to discontinue direct Bristol - Waterloo services.

If they were running now there'd be a case for extending them so that once more they covered Cardiff - Bristol - Waterloo travel needs.

Mark
I’d much rather prefer taking this route than ‘risk’ using Euston. Time and time again I’m seeing chaos with serious overcrowding at this London termini whenever there’s an issue, which there frequently is, on the west coast mainline.

Waterloo, though a slower route, has more capacity, especially during holiday periods when SWR tend to operate a Saturday timetable.

The thought of now mixing GWR services into Euston to me appears to be a bad idea. Only going to take something minor to go wrong and I can see GWR Euston terminators terminating at Ealing Broadway and Reading, and that’s before we even start talking about shortage of train crew affecting services which usually happens over the Christmas & New Year holidays.

My evidence for the latter is during the Reading blockades how many trains up from the south west ending up terminating at Basingstoke rather than Waterloo or in the case of Bristol & South Wales services, Banbury rather than Paddington?

My advice would be to anyone would be that the timetable may show two GWR services an hour into and out of Euston, but the reality may be something completely different.

Not only that, these direct London trains are liable to be absolutely rammed. Maybe better to use a less busy Reading terminator and change for a SWR service to Waterloo. Slower yes, more reliable yes, likely to be less busy yes.

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by grahame at 09:48, 28th June 2024
 
If they were running now there'd be a case for extending them so that once more they covered Cardiff - Bristol - Waterloo travel needs.

Extending in route AND I suspect extending in train length.    A 2 car 158 would simply not cope - while Paddington is closed at least, how about the the hourly Swansea to Waterloo IET reversing at Bristol Parkway, and connecting cross platform at Temple Meads with the hourly Taunton to Euston?

Re: Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by Mark A at 09:09, 28th June 2024
 
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/euston-paddington-trains-wales-hs2-delays-old-oak-common-b1167168.html
...Network Rail is understood to be planning 70 days of festive blockades over the next decade on the route in and out of Paddington ...

This having been on the horizon even in 2021, there's now a real sense of incoherence in the way that the DfT waded in and twisted everyone's arms to discontinue direct Bristol - Waterloo services.

If they were running now there'd be a case for extending them so that once more they covered Cardiff - Bristol - Waterloo travel needs.

Mark

Old Oak Common/Paddington blockade, December 2024. Service changes, diverts, engineering etc
Posted by Timmer at 08:20, 28th June 2024
 
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/euston-paddington-trains-wales-hs2-delays-old-oak-common-b1167168.html
Inter-city trains between London, the South-West and Wales are expected to be diverted from Paddington to Euston due to track closures for HS2 works.

Great Western Railway is seeking permission to use Euston as its main London terminal for several days before and after Christmas — and potentially on multiple occasions until 2030.

Network Rail is understood to be planning 70 days of festive blockades over the next decade on the route in and out of Paddington — with weekend and late-night closures also expected throughout the year.

The diversions are necessary because work to complete Old Oak Common station in north-west London will require the closure of the main line to Paddington.
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