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Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
As at 24th November 2024 02:57 GMT
 
Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by ChrisB at 14:13, 4th November 2024
 
The spending review is slated for the spring of next year I think.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion, latest update
Posted by chuffed at 13:58, 4th November 2024
 


Portishead Railway Group
 
From:
portisheadrail@183601974.mailchimpapp.com
To:
pbmusician@aol.com

Mon, 4 Nov at 11:55


Dear Member,

Last week's budget contained news of the three big rail projects - HS2, Northern Powerhouse Rail and EastWest Rail to Cambridge - but nothing about smaller projects like Portishead & Pill. This wasn't surprising, nor does it mean bad news.

We understand that MetroWest Phase One – the Portishead & Pill railway reopening - forms part of the ongoing review, which was mentioned by Rachel Reeves in her October 30th Budget speech.
 
We also believe that the Full Business Case is to be submitted soon, which seems to be a positive sign. More news is expected over the next month or so.

Regards,
Peter
 
Peter Maliphant
Membership Secretary
Portishead Railway Group

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Andy at 13:15, 20th September 2024
 
Dan Norris quietly confident Portishead will happen....

“There is cost stability now of around £150 million and we are in a strong position to proceed with that, but it’s not a guarantee because that’s a decision that’s being made against other projects up and down the land.

“But what I am confident about saying is that I would argue our Portishead line is so close to starting that it puts it in a good position to go forward.

“They were clearing the trackside of trees and various other foliage with a view to doing significant things in the spring and getting on with the tracks.

“We’ve very close to doing it. That puts us in a strong position because we’re literally at the point of putting shovels in the ground.

“Economically it makes a lot of sense compared to the other lines that are in contention against us.”

He said the government would make a priority list of railway projects currently under threat of not happening.

Mr Norris, also MP for North East Somerset & Hanham, said: “Nothing is done until it’s done.

“You think you’ve got it and then somehow it slips out of grasp but we’re very close and I’m quietly confident.”



New Forest East (Fawley-Hythe) - Tory MP
North Somerset (Portishead) - Labour MP

Just saying....


Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by chuffed at 08:00, 19th September 2024
 
Dan Norris quietly confident Portishead will happen....

“There is cost stability now of around £150 million and we are in a strong position to proceed with that, but it’s not a guarantee because that’s a decision that’s being made against other projects up and down the land.

“But what I am confident about saying is that I would argue our Portishead line is so close to starting that it puts it in a good position to go forward.

“They were clearing the trackside of trees and various other foliage with a view to doing significant things in the spring and getting on with the tracks.

“We’ve very close to doing it. That puts us in a strong position because we’re literally at the point of putting shovels in the ground.

“Economically it makes a lot of sense compared to the other lines that are in contention against us.”

He said the government would make a priority list of railway projects currently under threat of not happening.

Mr Norris, also MP for North East Somerset & Hanham, said: “Nothing is done until it’s done.

“You think you’ve got it and then somehow it slips out of grasp but we’re very close and I’m quietly confident.”

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by chuffed at 19:46, 12th September 2024
 
Sadik al Hassan presented the petition the day before, on Wednesday 11th September.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by chuffed at 17:03, 10th September 2024
 
From the Portishead Railway Group



Dear Member,
 
Thank you to everyone who signed and helped gather signatures for the Public Petition to restore the missing funding for the Portishead and Pill line reopening.
 
We ended up with 5,604 signatures, collected in just over 2 weeks. The petition was handed to Sadik Al-Hassan, MP for North Somerset, and he has told us that he will be delivering it in Parliament this Thursday.
 
Just to be clear, in the light of some comments in the press and social media, the reopening project is under review. It has not been cancelled and the majority of the funding remains in place.
 
We have no timetable for the spending review that is currently underway, but we assume it will be completed before the October budget. All our local councils and MPs continue to support the reopening project and will be exerting whatever influence they have.
 
As our petition stated, the project offers important benefits to Portishead, Pill and the wider Bristol area, benefitting the environment, reducing congestion and emissions and encouraging investment and economic growth.
 
The foolishness of stopping a project that has 10 years’ work already completed and over £32 million already spent is not hard to see. The project to reopen the railway to Portishead and Pill is ready for construction to start and, given the necessary funding, could deliver a flagship completed reopening and operational railway in less than three years.

Regards,
Peter
 
Peter Maliphant
Membership Secretary
Portishead Railway Group


Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:20, 9th September 2024
 
From the BBC:


Disused tracks donated to help heritage railway


The track was unsuitable for the modern trains which might one day return to Portishead

Sections of a disused railway line between Bristol and Portishead have been donated to a heritage railway.

Volunteers at the Avon Valley Railway, based in Bitton, lifted the tracks, which are not suitable for modern trains.

The original Portishead line closed in the 1960s, and there are plans to re-instate it, though these are currently in limbo after recent government announcements.

Alan Matthews, Chair of the Avon Valley Railway Company, said: “This generous donation will be used to improve our railway infrastructure."

Plans to restore the railway to Portishead have been ongoing for years, but were recently under threat after the new Labour government announced it was axing a scheme to re-build old railway lines.

Councillor Mike Bell, Leader of North Somerset Council said: "We are still having conversations with our partners and with government and await further details of the scheme’s review.  I’m glad the old rails will find a good use on the Avon Valley Railway."

A full business case to re-open the Portishead line is ongoing for submission to the Department for Transport.


Volunteers from the Avon Valley Railway will use it at their station in Bitton

The Avon Valley Railway runs for three miles between Bristol and Bath on the former Midland line.  It celebrated its 50th birthday earlier this year.

Avon Valley Railway Trustee Joseph Dean said: “With the donated track we are looking to launch our yard remodelling at Bitton, which will see tracks adjusted for more efficient storage.  Remaining track will be used for track renewals and potentially further restoration of the historic route in the future.”



Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by grahame at 17:46, 8th September 2024
 
60 years ago yesterday since closure.


https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/portishead-railway-fight-60-years-9536703


We don't normally *do* too many closures in "On this day" - but I have added this one so that it will come up next year.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by johnneyw at 16:24, 8th September 2024
 
60 years ago yesterday since closure.


https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/somerset-news/portishead-railway-fight-60-years-9536703

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by johnneyw at 11:25, 27th August 2024
 
Thanks for the reminder.  I'll get myself down there for 19.00.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by chuffed at 08:22, 27th August 2024
 
Come on Coffee Shop members ...get yourselves down to Temple Meads tonight,join the rally and sign the petition !

Dear Member,

Thank you to everyone who is collecting signatures for the Public Petition to Parliament. We're hearing impressive examples of members gathering more than 100 signatures at a time!
 
We now have permission to collect outside Waitrose (but not Sainsbury) and will be in the Precinct on Tuesday morning. If you would be willing to help at either of these locations for an hour or two any time over the next 4 days, please reply now to this e-mail with the times and date you can offer.

The petition sheet and briefing note are here : www.portisheadrailwaygroup.org/petition.html
The total signatures received so far will also soon appear there.

Thanks very much for your support. A reminder of all the key information is below.

Regards,
Peter
 
Peter Maliphant
Membership Secretary
Portishead Railway Group

Collecting Signatures
You can carry on collecting until Friday 30th August, but please make sure you hand your sheets in by Friday at one of the locations below. If you’re in the Portishead area and unable to do this, let me know and we can arrange to pick them up any time.
 
Returning your signature sheets
Completed sheets can be dropped off at any time that these locations are open:
 
SoleLution, High Street
Westcoast Properties (opposite Waitrose garage)
Pure Offices reception, Kestrel Court
Portishead Town Council reception, upstairs at the Folk Hall.
 
Pill Resource centre, 4 Baltic Place, Pill. BS20 0EJ
Portishead Railway Petition, 17 St John’s Rd, Clifton. BS8 2ET
 
Petition details
The petition is formally for ‘persons desiring reopening of the Portishead railway branch line’ – so anyone can sign it and there are no rules about age or location.

The petition states:
‘… Reopening the Portishead branch line is necessary to reduce traffic on the congested roads between Portishead and Bristol; reducing such traffic would lead to lower CO2 emissions, thus benefitting the environment; and is needed to encourage investment and economic growth in Portishead and the greater Bristol area.
 
The petitioners therefore request the House of Commons to urge His Majesty’s Government to recognise the considerable work already performed to reopen the Portishead branch line; to recognise the public funding already invested in it; and to ensure that the necessary central government funding is provided to reopen the Portishead branch line’

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 04:29, 19th August 2024
 
See also https://bristolrailcampaign.org.uk/portishead-railway-needs-your-support/

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by WelshBluebird at 13:57, 16th August 2024
 

Does a petition actually influence any decision making?
Surely is all comes down to budgets?

A budget is nothing other than choices of where to spend the available money. For comparisons sake, from what i can tell, the Restoring Your Railways fund was going to provide significantly less money to the station development than what say bristol council have recently spend on refurbishing the bristol beacon. It's all about the choices made. The relevant local authorities and other organisations can easily decide to spend money on this over other things. It's just priorities.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Phantom at 12:28, 16th August 2024
 
The fightback begins.....



Dear Member,

The Public Petition supporting funding for the Portishead line is now live and will be presented to Parliament in September by Sadik Al-Hassan, MP for North Somerset.

The petition has to be created in a specific way and there are some changes that you need to know about as a result.

The most important is that the petition must have the original, handwritten signatures, names and addresses of the petitioners (photocopies and electronic signatures are not permitted). This means we need lots of people personally gathering signatures, which PRG will then collate and pass to our MP to take to Parliament.

We are inviting our members to collect as many signatories as they feel able to gather and then return the completed sheets to us. We quite understand if you are unable or unwilling to do this, but will appreciate as much help as we can get. We will also be out on the streets gathering signatures as well, in Pill this Saturday morning and in Portishead on various days. Thank you to all those who've offered to help with this.

There is also a rally at Temple Meads being planned by the Bristol Rail Campaign (formerly FOSBR) at 7pm on Tuesday 27th August. More information on this will follow when we have it.

If you'd like to help by collecting signatures from your circle of friends, family and organisations, here's what you need to know:
You can find the petition and a briefing note explaining it here:  www.portisheadrailwaygroup.org/petition.html
Please print off as many copies as you need, but do not alter the petition form in any way.
If you are unable to print copies, let me know and we'll physically get you some.
The PRG Frequently Asked Questions document has been updated and can be found on the PRG website. This may help with any questions you need answered.
Please check that people only sign once, no matter how often they've seen the petition.
Please collect complete sheets of signatures if possible and minimise half filled sheets by stopping, or working with other PRG members to share and fill whole pages.
The closing date is Sunday 25th August (10 days time!) and you can either return sheets to me by post ASAP or drop-off (8 Little Halt, Portishead. BS20 8JQ) or to any PRG signature collector on Tuesday 27th Aug.
Tuesday August 27th is Petition Day! This will be our main public signature day and we're aiming to cover Portishead High St, Sainsbury, Waitrose, Kestrel Court, Folk Hall etc. We will then head for Bristol to collect more signatures at the Temple Meads rally.
Other public signing days like Pill can happen as well of course.
PRG will then collate all the signature sheets for Sadik Al-Hassan to present to Parliament at the earliest opportunity.
We'll send more details on the Bristol Rail Campaign rally and other public signing events when we have them. Please ask if you have questions.

The petition states:
‘… Reopening the Portishead branch line is necessary to reduce traffic on the congested roads between Portishead and Bristol; reducing such traffic would lead to lower CO2 emissions, thus benefitting the environment; and is needed to encourage investment and economic growth in Portishead and the greater Bristol area.
 
The petitioners therefore request the House of Commons to urge His Majesty’s Government to recognise the considerable work already performed to reopen the Portishead branch line; to recognise the public funding already invested in it; and to ensure that the necessary central government funding is provided to reopen the Portishead branch line’


Thanks for your support.

Does a petition actually influence any decision making?
Surely is all comes down to budgets?

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by chuffed at 06:29, 16th August 2024
 
I have moved this from 'And also 'in order to give it more prominence, as so many people liked it. It refers to what I think Lord Peter Hendy should be doing about the Portishead line.

In that case, he should be arguing the case really vigorously with Reeves and Haigh for a scheme that is 25 years old, runs to 27000 pages and is 7.5km long if each sheet was laid end to end. ....double the length of track in question. I have challenged the Chancellor to join me at 7am on the average weekday morning to travel out of Portishead...perhaps then she might see that this scheme does not deserve to be sacrificed on the altar of her political expediency.
{like} liked by Mark A, Witham Bobby, Richard Fairhurst, rogerw, Western Pathfinder, Timmer, eightonedee, Red Squirrel, johnneyw, PhilWakely, Andy E, TaplowGreen

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by chuffed at 18:15, 15th August 2024
 
An excellent summary of the current situation.
However the only bus service (X4) connecting Portishead to Bristol now takes 1 hour and 20 minutes even on a good day. Even more evidence, if any were needed, that the railway can't come soon enough. Does everyone know that this town of getting on to 30,000 inhabitants hasn't had any sort of a Post Office for the last 18 months? Another example of over development outstripping infrastructure !

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Red Squirrel at 17:38, 15th August 2024
 
Bristol Rail Campaign's call to action is here:

https://bristolrailcampaign.org.uk/portishead-railway-needs-your-support/


Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by chuffed at 16:54, 15th August 2024
 
The fightback begins.....



Dear Member,

The Public Petition supporting funding for the Portishead line is now live and will be presented to Parliament in September by Sadik Al-Hassan, MP for North Somerset.

The petition has to be created in a specific way and there are some changes that you need to know about as a result.

The most important is that the petition must have the original, handwritten signatures, names and addresses of the petitioners (photocopies and electronic signatures are not permitted). This means we need lots of people personally gathering signatures, which PRG will then collate and pass to our MP to take to Parliament.

We are inviting our members to collect as many signatories as they feel able to gather and then return the completed sheets to us. We quite understand if you are unable or unwilling to do this, but will appreciate as much help as we can get. We will also be out on the streets gathering signatures as well, in Pill this Saturday morning and in Portishead on various days. Thank you to all those who've offered to help with this.

There is also a rally at Temple Meads being planned by the Bristol Rail Campaign (formerly FOSBR) at 7pm on Tuesday 27th August. More information on this will follow when we have it.

If you'd like to help by collecting signatures from your circle of friends, family and organisations, here's what you need to know:
You can find the petition and a briefing note explaining it here:  www.portisheadrailwaygroup.org/petition.html
Please print off as many copies as you need, but do not alter the petition form in any way.
If you are unable to print copies, let me know and we'll physically get you some.
The PRG Frequently Asked Questions document has been updated and can be found on the PRG website. This may help with any questions you need answered.
Please check that people only sign once, no matter how often they've seen the petition.
Please collect complete sheets of signatures if possible and minimise half filled sheets by stopping, or working with other PRG members to share and fill whole pages.
The closing date is Sunday 25th August (10 days time!) and you can either return sheets to me by post ASAP or drop-off (8 Little Halt, Portishead. BS20 8JQ) or to any PRG signature collector on Tuesday 27th Aug.
Tuesday August 27th is Petition Day! This will be our main public signature day and we're aiming to cover Portishead High St, Sainsbury, Waitrose, Kestrel Court, Folk Hall etc. We will then head for Bristol to collect more signatures at the Temple Meads rally.
Other public signing days like Pill can happen as well of course.
PRG will then collate all the signature sheets for Sadik Al-Hassan to present to Parliament at the earliest opportunity.
We'll send more details on the Bristol Rail Campaign rally and other public signing events when we have them. Please ask if you have questions.

The petition states:
‘… Reopening the Portishead branch line is necessary to reduce traffic on the congested roads between Portishead and Bristol; reducing such traffic would lead to lower CO2 emissions, thus benefitting the environment; and is needed to encourage investment and economic growth in Portishead and the greater Bristol area.
 
The petitioners therefore request the House of Commons to urge His Majesty’s Government to recognise the considerable work already performed to reopen the Portishead branch line; to recognise the public funding already invested in it; and to ensure that the necessary central government funding is provided to reopen the Portishead branch line’


Thanks for your support.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Red Squirrel at 19:45, 14th August 2024
 
There is a letter in the North Somerset Times this morning arguing the 'merits' of running buses along the Portishead line signed by the Portishead busway campaign. I suspect this is a one person outfit headed by a certain Barry Cash. I will waste no more time, energy and space giving this any more publicity !

Absolutely no surprises there. Mr Cash, incidentally, lives in Bristol.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by chuffed at 10:26, 14th August 2024
 
There is a letter in the North Somerset Times this morning arguing the 'merits' of running buses along the Portishead line signed by the Portishead busway campaign. I suspect this is a one person outfit headed by a certain Barry Cash. I will waste no more time, energy and space giving this any more publicity !

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by TonyK at 19:51, 13th August 2024
 
PRG are seeking clarification on whether 68% or 90% of the budgeted cost of the Portishead line was already covered before RYR came along. Either way, it is clearly mostly non-RYR. But - and this may be a big but - DfT were also committing to cover any over-run. Following the Northumberland Line, this will likely make them nervous.

I suppose one possible crumb of comfort could be that the government has no reason to string this out any further, nor excuse for doing so. It will be here for at least 5 years, so if a decision is made to finance the building sometime this year, the work should be finished before anyone else will be in office to cancel it again.

RYR had the whiff od a political bone being thrown to distract from other problems. More of a stench now.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Red Squirrel at 14:57, 13th August 2024
 
PRG are seeking clarification on whether 68% or 90% of the budgeted cost of the Portishead line was already covered before RYR came along. Either way, it is clearly mostly non-RYR. But - and this may be a big but - DfT were also committing to cover any over-run. Following the Northumberland Line, this will likely make them nervous.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by RichardB at 14:20, 13th August 2024
 
I think Portishead will happen but I think others will end up being chopped.  Same with hs2 to Euston I think that's too far forward not to cut

I agree re Portishead.  We need clarificatiion to be 100% but I don't think Portishead is a "Restoring Your Railway" scheme - it long predates that programme.  I agree re Euston too and I think the line to Crewe will also be built.   We'll see soon enough.





Clearly I was wrong about Portishead and, despite it long predating RYR, it had been wrapped up in the RYR programme.  Fingers crossed the DfT review gives the thumbs up.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by chuffed at 13:59, 13th August 2024
 
I have asked Sadik Al-Hassan as to the nature of these assurances ....are they verbal or written ?. I would refer readers to my earlier post where Rachel Reeves confirmed Wellington station is going ahead......much further back and much later in the GRIP process.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Red Squirrel at 22:03, 12th August 2024
 
It is clear that the project is not cancelled, but that's not the same as saying it is funded:


Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Red Squirrel at 21:57, 12th August 2024
 
Are you able to extract the text of this article, chuffed? We (Bristol Rail Campaign) haven't had such reassurance from Portishead Railway Group, who are working with Sadik Al-Hassan to try to plug the funding gap.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by chuffed at 17:03, 12th August 2024
 
The latest edition of Todays Railways (#271) is reporting on Page 7, that 'Labour's new North Somerset MP Sadik Al-Hattari said that he had had it confirmed to him, that the Bristol-Portishead re-opening,part of the Metrowest scheme that predated the Restoring your railways programme, IS SAFE, not least as Network rail is about to submit what seems to be the 493rd update of its business case!

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by TonyK at 14:53, 1st August 2024
 
Try this: https://bristolrailcampaign.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Portishead-Radio-Bristol-30_7_24.mp3

Well said, RS!

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Red Squirrel at 12:04, 1st August 2024
 
Try this: https://bristolrailcampaign.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Portishead-Radio-Bristol-30_7_24.mp3

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by TonyK at 19:50, 31st July 2024
 
I added my two penn'orth on Radio Bristol this morning (this link may change when the show finishes) - scroll to 11:24:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_bristol

You might find this a better link. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0j935s3

That didn't work - I was going to do a MP3 clip of the exchange, but couldn't find it before bedtime.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:31, 30th July 2024
 
I emailed the new Labour Mp for North Somerset about Portishead and he replied within the hour. I think this one single issue will make or break his reputation as an MP.

Agreed: and it will be interesting to see how 'engaged' North Somerset Council are, bearing in mind their historic reluctance to join WECA and their historic reluctance to fund anything to do with the re-opening of the Portishead Line. 

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by TonyK at 21:52, 30th July 2024
 
I added my two penn'orth on Radio Bristol this morning (this link may change when the show finishes) - scroll to 11:24:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_bristol

You might find this a better link. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0j935s3

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Red Squirrel at 11:42, 30th July 2024
 
I added my two penn'orth on Radio Bristol this morning (this link may change when the show finishes) - scroll to 11:24:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_bristol

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Red Squirrel at 10:42, 30th July 2024
 
Re the above, here's Hansard from yesterday:


Mr Gideon Amos
(Taunton and Wellington) (LD)

I congratulate you on your post, Madam Deputy Speaker, and the right hon. Lady on her position as Chancellor. Does the Chancellor share the anger of the people of Taunton and Wellington in finding that not only is the whole new hospital promised by the Conservatives not funded, but that apparently, as we now discover, even the maternity unit might not be funded. On the restoring your railways programme, will the cancellation of projects also apply to those, such as Wellington station, which have already begun funding and have had GRIP—governance for railway investment projects—stage 4 approval?

Rachel Reeves

I can fully understand why the hon. Gentleman’s constituents are so angry with the previous Government for leaving this mess and making unfunded commitments. I assure him that projects that have already started, such as the station he mentions, will go ahead.


Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by chuffed at 23:04, 29th July 2024
 
In response to a question from the new Lib Dem MP about Wellington Station,Rachel Reeves said that any project at GRIP stage 4 or above would go ahead. Portishead was there 4 years ago!.I emailed the new Labour Mp for North Somerset about Portishead and he replied within the hour. I think this one single issue will make or break his reputation as an MP.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:03, 29th July 2024
 
Thanks for your encouraging comment, RichardB.  As you say, Portishead predates - well, almost everything since Beeching. 


Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by RichardB at 21:54, 29th July 2024
 
I think Portishead will happen but I think others will end up being chopped.  Same with hs2 to Euston I think that's too far forward not to cut

I agree re Portishead.  We need clarificatiion to be 100% but I don't think Portishead is a "Restoring Your Railway" scheme - it long predates that programme.  I agree re Euston too and I think the line to Crewe will also be built.   We'll see soon enough.




Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:54, 29th July 2024
 
Yes - probably 

There are other re-opening station / branch lines which might survive - but only a few.

CfN 

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Red Squirrel at 20:47, 29th July 2024
 
Was that just a gut feeling?

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:19, 29th July 2024
 
Hmm. 

In our meeting this morning, I think grahame and I concurred that Portishead is probably not going to happen. 


Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by anthony215 at 19:15, 29th July 2024
 
I think Portishead will happen but I think others will end up being chopped.  Same with hs2 to Euston I think that's too far forward not to cut

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Red Squirrel at 18:20, 29th July 2024
 
North Somerset remains committed to reopening the Portishead rail line

5:04pm - 29 July 2024

North Somerset Council remains committed to reopening the Portishead to Bristol rail line, despite news that the government have cancelled the Restoring Your Railway programme. Rail schemes within the programme will now be subject to review by the Secretary of State for Transport.

This follows announcements from the Treasury that numerous infrastructure projects across the country will be paused or cancelled as a means of tackling financial challenges in the national budget.

The Portishead to Bristol rail line is one of the Department for Transport’s Restoring Your Railway projects and is part of the MetroWest programme.

By connecting 50,000 residents back into the rail network with stops at Portishead and Pill, the line stands to be transformative for North Somerset and the wider area, providing regular, sustainable transport and greater access to regional growth.

Councillor Mike Bell, Leader of North Somerset Council and Executive Member for Major Projects, said: “The Portishead to Bristol rail line is a hugely important scheme for us and one that will make a significant difference to the lives of local people, both now and in the future.

“We remain absolutely committed to reopening the line and Network Rail were shortly due to submit our Full Business Case to the Department for Transport. Full Business Case approval is the final step needed before we can get spades in the ground for construction. 

“It’s taken years of hard work to come this far. We were  the country’s first passenger scheme to secure a Development Consent Order to re-open a branch line. We’ve risen to financial challenges created by inflation and rising costs across the construction industry, securing an extra £15.5m in funding from the Department for Transport, whilst pledging of a further £10m of our own.

“Though we understand the difficult decisions facing national government, we believe there continues to be a strong case for the investment into the Portishead to Bristol rail line. This is a shovel-ready scheme that we can deliver – and for which on-the-ground preparatory work has already begun. We just need government support to make it happen.

“Alongside the West of England Combined Authority and Network Rail, we will continue to make the case for this project and  work with the new MP for North Somerset constituency, Sadik Al-Hassan, to do everything we can to secure support from the Department for Transport.”

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Posted by stuving at 16:44, 29th July 2024
 
No a good sign for future capital spending on infrastructure.

I'm not convinced by the "it's worse than we thought when we took over" line either.

Couldn't agree more. All the commentaries on the last budget pointed out that the predicted figures could not all be true at once. This is from the Institute for Government, but note the quote from the OBR:
And yet the figures that Hunt announced – and to which Labour promised to adhere – are based on entirely fictitious future spending plans. In evidence to a Lords committee last month, the OBR’s Richard Hughes argued that the government’s plans were actually not even fiction – because it had not taken the trouble to write them down. As my colleagues at the Institute for Government and many others have highlighted, the idea that revenue spending increases can be limited to 1% a year for four years and capital spending can be cut by 10% is entirely inconsistent with promises to maintain the quality and coverage of public services which are already creaking.

Labour is taking a comparable risk by promising to match the government’s plans despite being aware of the shortfall in funding across numerous public services and policy areas. Ironically, given the record of the Conservative government over the past 14 years, Reeves is anxious to avoid Labour being cast as the party of tax increases. But should Labour win the election, any claim that the state of the public finances – inflation-exacerbated shortfalls in day-to-day spending and chronic underinvestment in infrastructure – is a matter of surprise to incoming ministers will be completely implausible.

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Posted by eightonedee at 16:35, 29th July 2024
 
No a good sign for future capital spending on infrastructure.

I'm not convinced by the "it's worse than we thought when we took over" line either.

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Posted by ChrisB at 16:21, 29th July 2024
 
Confirmed.

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Posted by ChrisB at 14:18, 29th July 2024
 
A303 Stonehenge tunnel and the RYR projects yet to be built, I'm hearing

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by anthony215 at 13:29, 29th July 2024
 
The guardian newspaper saying Instead there I'd a alternative way for her to.plug the black hole and raise close to £10 billion her year and that is to increase taxes on wealth and shares etc

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by grahame at 05:59, 29th July 2024
 
There are rumours in one of the Murdoch papers today that the Portishead line may get the chop due to Treasury cuts to plug the ‘surprise’ financial hole…

I read that too, and hope the rumours are unfounded. Apart from the eons spent getting as far as the project has managed to get so far, it would make absolutely no sense in a period when the economy is supposed to be growing and emissions cut.

BBC reports at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c724g07qwdwo

The chancellor is set to announce immediate cuts worth billions of pounds, aimed at plugging a £20bn black hole in the finances, when she addresses Parliament on Monday.

Rachel Reeves’ plans are expected to include the cancellation of some road and rail projects, a reduction in spending on external consultants and a drive to cut public sector waste.

[snip]

Projects that could be paused or cancelled include: the road tunnel under Stonehenge, Boris Johnson’s New Hospital programme and the Euston section of HS2.


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Posted by TonyK at 22:04, 28th July 2024
 
There are rumours in one of the Murdoch papers today that the Portishead line may get the chop due to Treasury cuts to plug the ‘surprise’ financial hole…

I read that too, and hope the rumours are unfounded. Apart from the eons spent getting as far as the project has managed to get so far, it would make absolutely no sense in a period when the economy is supposed to be growing and emissions cut.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Red Squirrel at 21:11, 28th July 2024
 
There are rumours in one of the Murdoch papers today that the Portishead line may get the chop due to Treasury cuts to plug the ‘surprise’ financial hole…

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Bob_Blakey at 11:54, 15th March 2024
 
I may have missed it during the protracted history of this project but is there a separate Travel Plan document lurking somewhere which specifies whether buses will call at the station and what, if any, facilities for cyclists will be provided?

Also it seems to me that, in common with many recent public buildings, the design is a triumph of form over function (make it look pretty and sod providing proper protection to passengers customers from wind & rain, which I imagine is fairly common in this area).

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by stuving at 11:20, 15th March 2024
 
Can anyone work our how long a train this station can accommodate? There's been some debate about whether they're going to cheese-pare it down to 3-car. These plans have the platform length as 126m, which (as far as I can tell) is just over half the length of Portway Park & Ride, which is designed for 5-car trains. But according to Wikipedia a Class 166 3-car unit is about 70m long...

I'm not sure where that came from for Portway - did we have planning plans? But measured off Google Earth, it's 126m too. Turbos are close to the nominal 23m per carriage, plus couplings, so 5 cars (3+2) is about 118m, which will fit (either station). Obviously that assumes sensible car stop positions, which for Portishead depends on the end of the line (buffer stop) position, but you'd expect that to be OK.

Operationally, that always did look odd. The Turbo fleet is a mix of 3s and 2s, and we all know that what's available to pick from on a given day doesn't always match the standard train plan. With only 126m, if you've no 2-car units then it's a 3-car or nothing. But by the time Portishead opens, maybe the Turbo fleet won't be relevant any more ...

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by TonyK at 10:33, 15th March 2024
 


"A Development Consent Order (DCO) was sought and obtained for this design. Subsequent to
the DCO and GRIP 3 design, DfT initiated a Minimum Viable Product (MVP) exercise which
removed the station building at Portishead."


Mark

Maybe we should carry out an MVP on the various Sir Humphrey’s at the DfT and Treasury and see has they like that!
[/quote]

Au contraire, dear boy. Sir Humphrey would enjoy spending money. It's that nasty chancellor telling him what to do that is the problem.

As always, cheese paring will get in the way. Taking the Tarka line as the exemplar, the fairly recently improved services are turning out to be very popular, to the surprise of nobody but DfT. Early trains leave Barnstaple full and standing, to the chagrin of waiting passengers further down the line. Studies are under way to find a way to resolve this, which will cost a lot of money. I cannot imagine that the Portishead services, when they finally start, will be any less popular with commuters, given the time it takes by bus and the cost of parking a car in Bristol. Being shoehorned into a 3-car Turbo at Pill will not be an appealing experience, and before long some will ask "Why wasn't the Portishead platform built long enough for 5-car trains?"

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Posted by Sulis John at 09:24, 15th March 2024
 


"A Development Consent Order (DCO) was sought and obtained for this design. Subsequent to
the DCO and GRIP 3 design, DfT initiated a Minimum Viable Product (MVP) exercise which
removed the station building at Portishead."


Mark
[/quote]

Maybe we should carry out an MVP on the various Sir Humphrey’s at the DfT and Treasury and see has they like that!

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Posted by Mark A at 08:45, 15th March 2024
 
Looks like a pared down version of Ebbw Vale Town/Parkway. Given the exposed nature of the site at the head of the Gordano valley, I can't help thinking the whole lot will be blown away in the first good gale! As it stands, I cant see any shelter from the weather whatsoever.

Indeed, the canopy seems to have enough headroom to accommodate 25Kv OHLE... beneath the canopy itself. Not sure what the magic wall's for either.

Mark

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Posted by Mark A at 08:28, 15th March 2024
 
Can anyone work our how long a train this station can accommodate? There's been some debate about whether they're going to cheese-pare it down to 3-car. These plans have the platform length as 126m, which (as far as I can tell) is just over half the length of Portway Park & Ride, which is designed for 5-car trains. But according to Wikipedia a Class 166 3-car unit is about 70m long...

Indeed, it's reasonable to expect that that information would be easy to find.

Meanwhile, in the detailed design statement we find the following immortal words, and perhaps in the distance we hear a muffled crash as designs that would accommodate capacity enhancement are bulldozed into a remote quarry by a Treasury-funded JCB.

"A Development Consent Order (DCO) was sought and obtained for this design. Subsequent to
the DCO and GRIP 3 design, DfT initiated a Minimum Viable Product (MVP) exercise which
removed the station building at Portishead."


Mark

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Posted by chuffed at 08:15, 15th March 2024
 
Looks like a pared down version of Ebbw Vale Town/Parkway. Given the exposed nature of the site at the head of the Gordano valley, I can't help thinking the whole lot will be blown away in the first good gale! As it stands, I cant see any shelter from the weather whatsoever.

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Posted by johnneyw at 22:12, 14th March 2024
 
It has the look of a metro style station to me...and I don't mean that in a derogatory sense.  Also, I reckon I like the colour scheme for the brick wall.


Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Red Squirrel at 22:11, 14th March 2024
 
Can anyone work our how long a train this station can accommodate? There's been some debate about whether they're going to cheese-pare it down to 3-car. These plans have the platform length as 126m, which (as far as I can tell) is just over half the length of Portway Park & Ride, which is designed for 5-car trains. But according to Wikipedia a Class 166 3-car unit is about 70m long...

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Western Pathfinder at 18:16, 14th March 2024
 
https://planning.n-somerset.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=S9V7M4LPK5Q00.

This should get you to the right page.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by chuffed at 17:06, 14th March 2024
 
The proposed Portishead station plans are up for consideration on the North Somerset website. It is also referenced on the Portishead Railway group website and can be found by following this link...24/P/0474/DCW...

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by TonyK at 22:25, 31st January 2024
 
So approval just before the November election is announced.  How convenient.

That's one pre-election bribe I will happily take. I don't have to vote for them, though.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by eXPassenger at 18:09, 31st January 2024
 
So approval just before the November election is announced.  How convenient.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Red Squirrel at 11:11, 31st January 2024
 
A couple of us from Bristol Rail Campaign (FoSBR) attended the AGM of Portishead Railway Group last evening. We were very grateful for their invitation to come and observe, and it was a privilege (and a bit humbling) to chat with some of the people who have been campaigning for decades to get trains back to Portishead and Pill.

James Willcock of North Somerset Council, Programme Manager for the Portishead line, gave us a very detailed talk on the current status of the project. The upshot is that the DfT will do its best to get all the paperwork signed off before the summer recess. Then it's just - just! - a matter of getting the Treasury to release the money... which should allow for final approval in time for work to start later this year.

First train to Portishead should run in December 2026.

James believed that transport Secretary Mark Harper was very impressed by the scheme when he visited last summer, which may have helped oil the wheels.


Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by grahame at 07:40, 13th January 2024
 
Spades in the ground by August?  The Bristol Live site has an article suggesting work on the line could commence by August this year.  Expectation management statement; ...

Expectation management is well noted. We have become so used to seeing hopeful timescales that don't happen that we automatically roll our eyes, say "that won't happen", and are proven right. Just occasionally though, things actually happen and when they do they can move quickly.  Thinking Okehampton, thinking the restoration of usable TransWilts service 10 years ago.  "Haha" turned into "my goodness - it's actually happening".

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Red Squirrel at 00:49, 13th January 2024
 
The illustration is Pill, rather than Portishead.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by johnneyw at 21:46, 12th January 2024
 
Spades in the ground by August?  The Bristol Live site has an article suggesting work on the line could commence by August this year. 
Expectation management statement;  It's from Bristol Live.  Much of it's substance is taken from the North Somerset Council statement in the previous post and there's no specific attribution as to who gave the August date.
Oh and unsurprisingly, the loading ads make it nearly unreadable.  I did find the "illustration" comical though.

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/local-news/construction-could-start-new-portishead-9030389?int_source=amp_continue_reading&int_medium=amp&int_campaign=continue_reading_button#amp-readmore-target

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Posted by Red Squirrel at 17:22, 10th January 2024
 
North Somerset Council to agree authority to finalise Full Business Case for Portishead rail line
8:44am - 08 January 2024

At January’s Full Council meeting, members will decide on proposals for the Full Business Case currently being developed for the Portishead to Bristol rail line. The line, one of the Department for Transport’s Restoring Your Railway projects, is part of the MetroWest programme.

The proposals would give Councillor Mike Bell, Leader of the Council and Executive Member for Major Infrastructure Projects, authority to finalise a completed Full Business Case on behalf of North Somerset Council, ready for its submission to the Department for Transport (DfT). Submission of the Full Business Case is expected to take place at the end of February.

This follows months of detailed design which has been underway since securing the Development Consent Order (DCO) to build the line, along with additional funding to help tackle inflation and rising costs across the construction industry.

Councillor Mike Bell, Leader of North Somerset Council and Executive Member for Major Infrastructure Projects, said: “By connecting 50,000 residents back into the rail network, the Portishead to Bristol line stands to be transformative for both North Somerset and the region.

“Not only would it provide better connections for Portishead and Pill, but it would offer green alternatives to getting around, cutting road traffic with expected train journeys of just 23 minutes.

“Submission of the Full Business Case is an impressive feat and the result of years of hard work and effort. In delegating authority to finalise the business case, the Council can play its part in achieving a February submission to the DfT.

“We’d like to thank our partners at West of England Combined Authority and Network Rail for their role in preparing the Full Business Case to date. We look forward to continuing work together as the project progresses.”

Should the Full Business Case be approved by the DfT, Portishead line will be brought back to Full Council in summer 2024 to agree the release of funding set aside for the scheme by North Somerset Council. This would be in addition to funding approved by the DfT, as set out in the Full Business Case.

For more about the Portishead line, visit https://travelwest.info/projects/portishead-rail-line-metrowest-phase-1/

Source: North Somerset Council

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Posted by IndustryInsider at 08:30, 17th October 2023
 
Bristol rock cress is a new one for me!

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Red Squirrel at 19:19, 16th October 2023
 
The latest statement on the travelwest website reads as follows:

Oct 2023

A significant number of the ecology enabling works are now coming to an end for this season, with the next phase now being planned for. The works have been very successful, and those completed so far include:

o Multiple ecological licence applications have been granted and works carried out under their respective licence conditions to protect Great Crested Newts, badgers, and the propagation of Bristol Rock Cress​
o Tree planting on the A369 Portbury Hundred to provide an alternative bat corridor has been completed and a maintenance plan is in place to ensure they are fed and watered, which will continue over the coming months​
o 1,200 metres of reptile fencing has been installed at multiple locations along the disused line and in the Ecology Park at Portishead​
o Reptile trapping is now complete with ecologists visiting the 1,000+ reptile mats daily over the summer and safely moving them to the two translocation sites away from the line​
o Reptile displacement also has to occur in certain locations which involves gradually reducing the length of the vegetation to encourage them away from the line to more suitable habitat​s
o Several bird and bat boxes have been installed to provide alternative nesting locations and roosts whilst work is underway
o The annual harvesting of whitebeam fruits from the Avon Gorge occurred in October and are being propagated at Bristol Botanicals, ready to plant during construction. This year the focus was on the rarest variety the sorbus avonensis. Over 100 whitebeams have already been planted in Leigh Woods with the help of Forestry England and are thriving.

Detailed design – otherwise known as Network Rail’s GRIP stage 5 – has progressed significantly. The project team continue to assist the contractors with this work stream, and we’d like to thank all those landowners and tenants who have allowed the teams access for noise surveys, ground investigations works, soil sampling, and other necessary works.
Source: travelwest

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Posted by stuving at 18:46, 16th October 2023
 
If you look at the covers of the two earlier business cases (filed under Developer's Application / Other Documents by the PI), they refer to the requirement for one at the DCO enquiry stage. This is is the National Policy Statement for National Networks (itself required by Section 9(8) and Section 5(4) of the Planning Act 2008). Here is section 4.5:
Applications for road and rail projects (with the exception of those for SRFIs, for which the position is covered in paragraph 4.8 below) will normally be supported by a business case prepared in accordance with Treasury Green Book principles. This business case provides the basis for investment decisions on road and rail projects. The business case will normally be developed based on the Department’s Transport Business Case guidance and WebTAG guidance. The economic case prepared for a transport business case will assess the economic, environmental and social impacts of a development. The information provided will be proportionate to the development. This information will be important for the Examining Authority and the Secretary of State’s consideration of the adverse impacts and benefits of a proposed development. It is expected that NSIP schemes brought forward through the development consent order process by virtue of Section 35 of the Planning Act 2008, should also meet this requirement.

Note that bit I bolded - easier said than done, if you are told to write one.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by stuving at 18:44, 16th October 2023
 
I see there's a lot of nostalgia for the era when a navvy with a shovel was all the business case anyone needed to build a railway. But the world has moved on, even if this project hasn't.

I couldn't say whether the Portishead Line needs a new business case - but it hasn't exactly suffered from business case deprivation. There was a preliminary business case in 2014 - not just on the back of an envelope: 800 pages. Then in 2017 there was an outline business case - a little longer. Each of those comes (like Gaul) in three parts. Part one of the latter calls itself "Outline Business Case 2017, Part 1 of 3,  Addendum to Outline Business Case. All six parts are dated on their cover November 2019, and also bear their original dates. I can't see any newer ones, you would not expect any during the examination period as that's not the sort of exam question the "Examining Authority" asks.

All the covers are MetroWest ones, though I can't see anything explaining why - the "applicant" is always North Somerset Council. I guess that comes down to what kind of a beast MetroWest is. Or maybe it really is, as Google insists, "a cluster of cities and towns lying west of Boston and east of Worcester".

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Noggin at 17:49, 16th October 2023
 
FFS

1) Portishead has nigh on 30k people, many of them fairly well heeled
2) Portishead has one very wiggly road to Bristol
3) The railway goes right next to the M5 and is more or less ideal for a rail-based Park & Ride (the car parks are there already, just got to build the station)
4) Pill also has one very wiggly road to Bristol and plenty of well-heeled folk
5) Pill has a secondary school with 1000 kids, many of which come from Bristol and would probably happily take the train over the bus
6) Ashton Gate on it's own could doubtlessly support a half-hourly service between UWE, Ashton Park school, the stadium, offices and all the new housing

Job done, JFDI, my consultants fee can go behind the bar at the Coffee Shop Christmas party

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Witham Bobby at 12:57, 16th October 2023
 
The March 2024 submission date for the new business case does seem a long time to me.  I only had limited exposure to the world of business case writing during my years in the telecoms, motor and insurance industries but I can't help but feel that all those companies that I worked for could and would have moved faster, especially with the expectation that one would be requested.
Was there not an earlier business case made that could act as a framework?  Not all of the details would have changed..... there's still a huge traffic problem in Portishead for example.

Depends if the objective is to get the project appraised quickly and successfully, or to generate consultant's fees quickly and successfully

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by johnneyw at 12:54, 16th October 2023
 
The March 2024 submission date for the new business case does seem a long time to me.  I only had limited exposure to the world of business case writing during my years in the telecoms, motor and insurance industries but I can't help but feel that all those companies that I worked for could and would have moved faster, especially with the expectation that one would be requested.
Was there not an earlier business case made that could act as a framework?  Not all of the details would have changed..... there's still a huge traffic problem in Portishead for example.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by grahame at 09:53, 16th October 2023
 
Not good news about this new line, they have now decided they need to do a new business case to see if the line will pay if re opened as the previous one was done before covid so they want to see if it's now changed,

They hope to have the new full business case submitted by march 2024 with hopefully approval of this by summer 2024 September at the latest ,

So we are now potentially a year away from them starting the building work on the new line,

How much will costs have risen in that time?

Can't help feeling there's a case for using JFDI principles here.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by ellendune at 09:41, 16th October 2023
 
Not good news about this new line, they have now decided they need to do a new business case to see if the line will pay if re opened as the previous one was done before covid so they want to see if it's now changed,

They hope to have the new full business case submitted by march 2024 with hopefully approval of this by summer 2024 September at the latest ,

So we are now potentially a year away from them starting the building work on the new line,

How much will costs have risen in that time?

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Red Squirrel at 09:19, 16th October 2023
 
The need to complete the business case was always there from the point when the DCO was granted. Has anything changed?

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Phantom at 09:07, 16th October 2023
 
Not good news about this new line, they have now decided they need to do a new business case to see if the line will pay if re opened as the previous one was done before covid so they want to see if it's now changed,

They hope to have the new full business case submitted by march 2024 with hopefully approval of this by summer 2024 September at the latest ,

So we are now potentially a year away from them starting the building work on the new line,

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by TonyK at 09:23, 15th October 2023
 

A maintenance plan is now in place to ensure the saplings are fed and watered over the coming months.

Hey!  It's autumn (or early winter). Watering plan, really?

Ensuring plan really.

From Somerset Live

Somerset rail line to be reopened as work to protect bats complete

A new ‘bat corridor’ has been created along a busy route out of Portishead as part of plans to re-open the town's defunct railway line. Trees have been planted along the A369 Portbury Hundred to provide an alternative bat corridor for the nocturnal creatures living along the route of the proposed new line.


"Holy pipistrellus pipistrellus, caped crusader!"
"Yes, to the bat corridor, Boy Wonder!"

(Music: Dinner, dinner, dinner, dinner...)

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by GBM at 12:56, 14th October 2023
 

A maintenance plan is now in place to ensure the saplings are fed and watered over the coming months.

Hey!  It's autumn (or early winter). Watering plan, really?

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by grahame at 11:25, 14th October 2023
 
From Somerset Live

Somerset rail line to be reopened as work to protect bats complete

A new ‘bat corridor’ has been created along a busy route out of Portishead as part of plans to re-open the town's defunct railway line. Trees have been planted along the A369 Portbury Hundred to provide an alternative bat corridor for the nocturnal creatures living along the route of the proposed new line.

A maintenance plan is now in place to ensure the saplings are fed and watered over the coming months. The work is part of a package of ‘ecology enabling works’ for the new MetroWest line.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Bmblbzzz at 19:12, 23rd June 2023
 
As any fule kno.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Red Squirrel at 16:41, 23rd June 2023
 
Or the complete version:

Caesar adsum iam forte
Pompey aderat
Caesar sic in omnibus
Pompey sic inat

Back by popular demand! http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=7434.msg263391#msg263391

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Hal at 15:58, 23rd June 2023
 
Or the complete version:

Caesar adsum iam forte
Pompey aderat
Caesar sic in omnibus
Pompey sic inat

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by TonyK at 20:18, 22nd June 2023
 
Gives a whole new meaning to that popular phrase people use when they can't deliver by Friday:

"Sick Transit, Gloria. Monday?"

Caesar sic in omnibus.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Red Squirrel at 17:57, 21st June 2023
 
Gives a whole new meaning to that popular phrase people use when they can't deliver by Friday:

"Sick Transit, Gloria. Monday?"

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by TonyK at 17:49, 21st June 2023
 
The only deity they might dig up in constructing the Portishead line might be an effigy of St Dawn of Primarolo, coloured bright red, eating Richard Cotterell previous chair of ATA ..Advanced Transport for Avon.

Or St Marvin on the Mount Without (an Arenal)? He said Mass more often than the Pope, although usually with the word Transit after it.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by chuffed at 14:16, 21st June 2023
 
The only deity they might dig up in constructing the Portishead line might be an effigy of St Dawn of Primarolo, coloured bright red, eating Richard Cotterell previous chair of ATA ..Advanced Transport for Avon.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Witham Bobby at 09:44, 21st June 2023
 
Another international example - why great care should be taken in looking around prior to construction - this from Heritage Daily

DEITY OF DEATH STATUE FOUND DURING MAYA TRAIN CONSTRUCTION

ARCHAEOLOGISTS FROM THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ANTHROPOLOGY AND HISTORY (INAH) HAVE FOUND AN ANTHROPOMORPHIC STATUE DEPICTING A MAYA DEATH DEITY FROM THE EARLY CLASSIC PERIOD (AD 200-600)

The discovery was made during construction works of Section 7 of the Maya Train near the village of Conhuas in the Mexican state of Campeche. Conhuas is situated in close proximity to the ruins of Balamku, a Maya temple complex which contains one of the largest surviving stucco friezes from the Maya world.

The statue is sculptured from limestone and may depict Cizin, also spelled Kisin, the Maya god of death, whose name is believed to mean “Stinking One.” According to Lacandon myth, when a person dies, Cizin burns the soul on his mouth and his anus until the soul disintegrates into nothing.

Sounds like a painful end

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by grahame at 21:20, 20th June 2023
 
Another international example - why great care should be taken in looking around prior to construction - this from Heritage Daily

DEITY OF DEATH STATUE FOUND DURING MAYA TRAIN CONSTRUCTION

ARCHAEOLOGISTS FROM THE NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ANTHROPOLOGY AND HISTORY (INAH) HAVE FOUND AN ANTHROPOMORPHIC STATUE DEPICTING A MAYA DEATH DEITY FROM THE EARLY CLASSIC PERIOD (AD 200-600)

The discovery was made during construction works of Section 7 of the Maya Train near the village of Conhuas in the Mexican state of Campeche. Conhuas is situated in close proximity to the ruins of Balamku, a Maya temple complex which contains one of the largest surviving stucco friezes from the Maya world.

The statue is sculptured from limestone and may depict Cizin, also spelled Kisin, the Maya god of death, whose name is believed to mean “Stinking One.” According to Lacandon myth, when a person dies, Cizin burns the soul on his mouth and his anus until the soul disintegrates into nothing.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by grahame at 14:15, 1st March 2023
 
Barry has a history of opposing the Portishead Railway and has proposed a number of alternatives. His latest idea ...

I could propose that Community Payback people with wire brushes could reopen the line for quite a lot less than Barry's £20 million, but that would be just as absurd.

Has anyone suggested one of these, thus sharing the waterway's footprint without digging an underground.


Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Red Squirrel at 11:00, 28th February 2023
 
I think we've been here before - from North Somerset Times

In an interview with Radio Bristol on February 14, Steve Bridger, the leader of North Somerset Council, confirmed that plans to reopen Portishead Railway will be going ahead.

Barry Cash, a member of the Portishead Busway Campaign, is questioning this decision. He says: "Mayor Norris and North Somerset Council plan to spend £152 million re-opening the Portishead railway line.

"Yet a dedicated bus route would provide a better service. This would cost about £20m. That leaves about £130m to spend on the missing buses. Forty-Two bus services, subsidised by local Councils, will cease in April.

"The planning has cost £21m and taken 21 years, without moving a single passenger. A train may have been a good idea 21 years ago. Times change."

There are also concerns regarding the impact that this could have on our fragile climate. Barry continues: "The major issue is that rather than helping with the climate crisis, year on year the reopened railway would significantly increase net greenhouse gas emissions.

"Reinstating the trains will increase greenhouse gases by 1000 tonnes per annum. What is the point of running nearly empty trains doing 2 mpg, especially in a climate emergency? A bus doing 11mpg makes more sense."

The case for buses with the figures given still looks like a colander to me, and the rail case presented with a different and negative bias to the road case. I do agree that the 21 years is too long.

I had a civilised chat with Barry Cash at the 'Future of Transport in Bristol' meeting on Saturday. His position was that transport planners should look to the future, not the past, for solutions. On that we could agree. We didn't agree on how these terms should be defined, however!

Barry has a history of opposing the Portishead Railway and has proposed a number of alternatives. His latest idea appears to involve laying a road up the gorge. This would presumably involve some widening of the trackbed to allow buses to pass, along with crash barriers and other interventions. Might be difficult in a SSSI, and it's not clear how the existing freight trains fit into his plan. My guess is that £20 million is a low estimate.

I could propose that Community Payback people with wire brushes could reopen the line for quite a lot less than Barry's £20 million, but that would be just as absurd.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by TonyK at 22:13, 27th February 2023
 
I think we've been here before - from North Somerset Times

Barry Cash, a member of the Portishead Busway Campaign

"A" member, or "The" member?

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by grahame at 17:37, 27th February 2023
 
I think we've been here before - from North Somerset Times

In an interview with Radio Bristol on February 14, Steve Bridger, the leader of North Somerset Council, confirmed that plans to reopen Portishead Railway will be going ahead.

Barry Cash, a member of the Portishead Busway Campaign, is questioning this decision. He says: "Mayor Norris and North Somerset Council plan to spend £152 million re-opening the Portishead railway line.

"Yet a dedicated bus route would provide a better service. This would cost about £20m. That leaves about £130m to spend on the missing buses. Forty-Two bus services, subsidised by local Councils, will cease in April.

"The planning has cost £21m and taken 21 years, without moving a single passenger. A train may have been a good idea 21 years ago. Times change."

There are also concerns regarding the impact that this could have on our fragile climate. Barry continues: "The major issue is that rather than helping with the climate crisis, year on year the reopened railway would significantly increase net greenhouse gas emissions.

"Reinstating the trains will increase greenhouse gases by 1000 tonnes per annum. What is the point of running nearly empty trains doing 2 mpg, especially in a climate emergency? A bus doing 11mpg makes more sense."

The case for buses with the figures given still looks like a colander to me, and the rail case presented with a different and negative bias to the road case. I do agree that the 21 years is too long.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by TonyK at 19:23, 9th February 2023
 
I don't think we should read to much into this.

The current phase (should I say era? Aeon?) of the project is the preparation of detailed designs and the full business case. Having looked at the full DCO pack, I am surprised that there is still design and business case work to do, but we are where we are. As to the business case: this is the final part of the DCO process. And who better to make that decision than a Decision Maker?

I have been a Decision Maker in another area of the public domain. That doesn't matter much - it just seems rather radical to have someone actually making decisions on the Portishead line. As to the current phase*, we might just slip from Jurassic to Cretaceous this time. With the ink dry on the VolkerFitzpatrick contract, I should imagine that the decisions to be made will be more "How" than "If".

*Not that sort, ET.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by Red Squirrel at 15:53, 9th February 2023
 
I don't think we should read to much into this.

The current phase (should I say era? Aeon?) of the project is the preparation of detailed designs and the full business case. Having looked at the full DCO pack, I am surprised that there is still design and business case work to do, but we are where we are. As to the business case: this is the final part of the DCO process. And who better to make that decision than a Decision Maker?


Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by ChrisB at 15:21, 9th February 2023
 
Would this be referring to GBR being set up in the meantime & future decisions being taken by them as 'decision makers', not the DfT?

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by sprinterguard at 15:08, 9th February 2023
 
The comment about "while preparing the full business case for decision makers." is somewhat worrying. Hopefully that means what dull shade of grey concrete to use at Portishead station rather than binning off the whole project.

Re: Portishead Line reopening for passengers - ongoing discussion
Posted by stuving at 10:26, 7th February 2023
 
According to Network Rail:
Commuters between Portishead and Bristol are a step closer to benefitting from a new rail link as the project to restore the disused railway through North Somerset reaches a new milestone.

Network Rail has appointed VolkerFitzpatrick as the primary contractor for the programme, which will see stations built in Pill and Portishead as part of the Government’s Restoring Your Railway scheme. The appointment of VolkerFitzpatrick follows the Department for Transport announcement of planning consent in November last year.

The £6.14m contract is part of the scheme to reopen the line, which is funded by the Government’s Restoring Your Railway fund, Department for Transport, West of England Combined Authority and North Somerset Council.

Once complete, the new passenger service will connect 50,000 residents to the railway network by reopening a line that was closed in 1964. The scheme is part of the MetroWest programme, which will bring suburban services to more stations across the west of England.

Over the next 12-18 months the project will complete the detailed design phase, as well as ground and ecology surveys and enabling works, while preparing the full business case for decision makers.

"Decision makers" is ominous, isn't it? By definition, if a decision is to be made, it can go either way (or there can be more than two options to choose from). But at least the cart is still trundling on down the road, even if the horse is stalled waiting for that case* of business to be delivered.

* Presumably twelve bottles? Though at this point my metaphors are in a tangled mess under the sofa.

 
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