| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by grahame at 17:53, 13th December 2024 |      |
I'm sure you're right. My point was really that the debate seems to have been about a reopening rather than reimagining.
Carmarthen - Aberystwyth is / was about re-opening. Wider posts have a reimagining element, but we should remember that the physical layout of the land has not changed and that's where some of the old railway lines went and new build makes sensible use of the same valleys. Social and developmental would also suggest the use of old flows that were rail but are car theses days. So:
An interesting tunnel from Dinas Mawdwyy to east of Dolgellau, and new build up the valley of Coed y Brennin from Penmanmaer to Tranwsfynedd. Other passes at Tallerdig are on exiting lines of rebuilds via Rhayader. Bleaneau Tunnel used to get you under the pile of slate.
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by Noggin at 15:51, 13th December 2024 | |
I'm sure you're right. My point was really that the debate seems to have been about a reopening rather than reimagining.
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by IndustryInsider at 11:03, 12th December 2024 | |
In a similar vein to Grahame's post, would it not make more sense to build a rail line down the coastal strip between Aberystwyth and Fishguard via Cardigan, relieving the A487?
It's about 70 miles, and could make Cardigan Bay into a world-class tourist attraction - imagine a panoramic "Golden Pass" style train going all the way from Fishguard to Pwlhelli?
More practically, it would surely get significantly higher ridership than via Lampeter to Carmarthen, and have much better social value in terms of education and employment. Despite the longer distance, it seems that the route could definitely be faster than the rebuilt route, the coach, and perhaps match a car if Fishguard to Cardiff was upgraded and electrified.
The other consideration is that a railway built/rebuilt to modern specs could then carry trucks - if the Welsh want to put their eco-credentials where their mouth is, then surely some kind of rolling motorway Fishguard<>Newport, Holyhead<>Deeside etc powered by Welsh renewable electricity would be an excellent aspiration and the sort of things that an eco-minded Cardiff administration should be proposing?
It's about 70 miles, and could make Cardigan Bay into a world-class tourist attraction - imagine a panoramic "Golden Pass" style train going all the way from Fishguard to Pwlhelli?
More practically, it would surely get significantly higher ridership than via Lampeter to Carmarthen, and have much better social value in terms of education and employment. Despite the longer distance, it seems that the route could definitely be faster than the rebuilt route, the coach, and perhaps match a car if Fishguard to Cardiff was upgraded and electrified.
The other consideration is that a railway built/rebuilt to modern specs could then carry trucks - if the Welsh want to put their eco-credentials where their mouth is, then surely some kind of rolling motorway Fishguard<>Newport, Holyhead<>Deeside etc powered by Welsh renewable electricity would be an excellent aspiration and the sort of things that an eco-minded Cardiff administration should be proposing?
Look at the huge fuss and nonsense (not to mention delay and cost) in getting very viable rail re-openings built, such as Bristol to Portishead and The Varsity Line. The scheme you've suggested is not possible without immense cost and nowhere near the likely ridership to make them viable.
Looking at the route you suggest from Aberystwyth to Fishguard via Cardigan, there are some fairly wild elevation changed from coast to inland. In railway terms that means tunnels and viaducts which again add to the impractibility, and that's before the NIMBY's chip in. All to serve a small number of small settlements?
Sorry to be blunt, but IMHO it's a big 'NO' it would not make sense.
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by Noggin at 09:53, 12th December 2024 | |
In a similar vein to Grahame's post, would it not make more sense to build a rail line down the coastal strip between Aberystwyth and Fishguard via Cardigan, relieving the A487?
It's about 70 miles, and could make Cardigan Bay into a world-class tourist attraction - imagine a panoramic "Golden Pass" style train going all the way from Fishguard to Pwlhelli?
More practically, it would surely get significantly higher ridership than via Lampeter to Carmarthen, and have much better social value in terms of education and employment. Despite the longer distance, it seems that the route could definitely be faster than the rebuilt route, the coach, and perhaps match a car if Fishguard to Cardiff was upgraded and electrified.
The other consideration is that a railway built/rebuilt to modern specs could then carry trucks - if the Welsh want to put their eco-credentials where their mouth is, then surely some kind of rolling motorway Fishguard<>Newport, Holyhead<>Deeside etc powered by Welsh renewable electricity would be an excellent aspiration and the sort of things that an eco-minded Cardiff administration should be proposing?
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by Red Squirrel at 10:22, 11th December 2024 | |
The crayonista in me would love to see this line reopened. But having explored the area this summer, from a base near Llanybydder, I understand why many are sceptical about it.
I also very much doubt that any development-led opportunity will arise. Everywhere we looked there were placards opposing pylons. I think most Ceredigion folk would really prefer it if the world left them alone to get on with their business.
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by grahame at 06:09, 11th December 2024 | |
I think there's also the whole idea of improving north-south links in Wales. The road links aren't great and are there bigger benefits than purely revenue? Would the North feel less disconnected from the Capital, less traffic? The A470 has very little dual carriage way which is another reason not to travel north-south.
Indeed - Reopening Carmarthen to Aberystwyth and Afon Wen to Menai Bridge would bring a fantastic feeling of a country connected but "feelings" don't pay the bills on their own. The connectivity could bring about social changes though and like Metroland could be the forerunner of housing development. Rachel Reeves tells us of the need for more homes a a tough target to reach after all, and population density outside The Valleys is very thin so there are plenty of poor pasture hillsides on which houses could be built, while still leaving 95% a countryside route with great tourist potential.
There are other solutions possible to the lack of an internal rail line across the country of Wales if it's decided that the country needs a line linking its three zones.
1. There is no need, as per HS1 and HS2, to follow the paths of existing or former railways. Whilst they tend to define the natural barriers and routes, the old routes were defined by different metrics; longer tunnels, higher viaducts and steeper gradients are all allowed today. Routes such as Rhymney via Tal-y-llyn Junction (Brecon Road), Builth Wells, Rhayader and Llanidloes to the Moat Lane Junction area and from Llandecwyn to Maentwrog Road might be better / more central to the core of the country, and would provide a connection in places much nearer to where people would be expanding / travelling from. Think of journeys between the economic engines of Cardiff and Rhyl which I understand could really to with a bit of TLC. And opportunities for connections East and West at Builth Road and Moat Lane and Llandudno Junction would give a spine railway up the middle double the potential traffic of a line so far off to the side that if you head west you fall into the undeverlopable sea.
2. Wales could be divided into two or three provinces of the United Kingdom - "Wales", "Cambria" and "Gogledd" each with their own PTEs - they are already separate operationally as we know with the special fleet based at Macynelleth. As three provinces or countries, the need for more connections between them in reduced.
3. As a levelling up exercise, Hereford, Shrewsbury and Chester ("the Welsh Marches") could be transferred to Wales, giving that country significant economic clout, and providing a railway line without a metre of extra constuction integrated all the way from the south to the north. If the good people of Chester threaten to riot over this, a curve at Shotton ...
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 00:03, 11th December 2024 | |
We are spreading this topic rather wider here, but when my daughter travelled between Nailsea and her university in Bangor, it was relatively easier by rail rather than road.
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by Sixty3Closure at 23:16, 10th December 2024 | |
I'm sure they'll emerge at some point but it would be interesting to see the detail. How were the potential numbers calculated as I wonder how much was "build it and they will come" was factored in. When I was at college at Aberystwyth there were a large number of students from south and west Wales which might provide a regular revenue stream and make the Colleges at Aber, Bangor and Carmarthen more attractive. Develop tourism. Working in an off licence we stocked a lot of Banks's for day trippers/weekenders from the midlands from where there was a reasonable rail link but not so much Brains for Cardiff visitors who presumably didn't fancy the journey.
I think there's also the whole idea of improving north-south links in Wales. The road links aren't great and are there bigger benefits than purely revenue? Would the North feel less disconnected from the Capital, less traffic? The A470 has very little dual carriage way which is another reason not to travel north-south.
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by ChrisB at 18:29, 4th December 2024 | |
From BBC Wales
Trains: £2bn to re-open Carmarthen to Bangor lines
Re-opening railway lines that were shut in the 1960s and have left large towns without a direct rail link would cost £2bn, Transport for Wales has said.
TfW looked at the line between Carmarthen and Aberystwyth, Ceredigion and Afon Wen and Bangor in Gwynedd.
Chief executive James Price said it would be "very costly" to develop and "difficult" to implement.
Campaigners have said it was unclear how the rail operator got that figure as all studies had not yet been done.
Under the Welsh Labour government's co-operation deal with Plaid Cymru, TfW was asked to examine how transport links between the north and south could be developed
That included a potential travel corridor along the coast from Carmarthen to Bangor, with TfW looking at re-connecting the disused rail routes between Bangor and Afon Wen - about 28 miles.
Since the closure of the Aberystwyth to Carmarthen line, taking the train between the two towns - which are just 49 miles apart - takes seven hours.
Owned by the Welsh government, TfW has been responsible for train services across much of Wales since 2018.
In a letter to a Senedd committee, Mr Price said TfW looked at a "wide-ranging assessment to examine how accessibility and connectivity can be improved on the west coast of Wales".
He said the options offered shorter journey times but were "very costly to develop and implement".
A north to south rail scheme would "likely to cost circa £2bn and would take over 10 years to deliver".
He added: "Therefore, these are all difficult to realise, even as a light rail scheme. The case for Bangor - Caernarfon/Afon Wen was stronger due to shorter route length and higher demand."
Transport expert Prof Stuart Cole said the plans did not offer value for money.
He said: "As someone who lives in Llanelli, nothing would please me more than to go by train via Carmarthen to Aberystwyth. But it doesn't have a sufficiently high rate of return in financial terms.
"The number of people living in the area of the planned route is too small for an investment of this size."
People in Carmarthen supported the idea, but questioned whether it was viable.
Margaret Jones said: "I know it makes sense for the businesses each end but it's a lot of money to pay for that especially as there are so many people living on the streets... that money could be better spent."
Branwen Evans said it would be "great" if it went ahead, but doubts it will "as it will cost too much".
Former Plaid Cymru leader Adam Price believes it could be paid for from spending on the HS2 rail project in England.
"We can do that of course if HS2 is re-registered as being an England-only project, which it is," the Carmarthen East and Dinefwr Member of the Senedd said.
"Even HS2 as it now exists we would get sufficient money invested in Wales so we could achieve this national important project."
Mark Davies from campaign group Traws Link Cymru said he was "surprised" at the comments made by TfW.
He said: "It should be noted that scoping and feasibility studies are yet to be completed for the northern section of the line and therefore it is not clear how TfW have arrived at the £2bn total cost."
Re-opening railway lines that were shut in the 1960s and have left large towns without a direct rail link would cost £2bn, Transport for Wales has said.
TfW looked at the line between Carmarthen and Aberystwyth, Ceredigion and Afon Wen and Bangor in Gwynedd.
Chief executive James Price said it would be "very costly" to develop and "difficult" to implement.
Campaigners have said it was unclear how the rail operator got that figure as all studies had not yet been done.
Under the Welsh Labour government's co-operation deal with Plaid Cymru, TfW was asked to examine how transport links between the north and south could be developed
That included a potential travel corridor along the coast from Carmarthen to Bangor, with TfW looking at re-connecting the disused rail routes between Bangor and Afon Wen - about 28 miles.
Since the closure of the Aberystwyth to Carmarthen line, taking the train between the two towns - which are just 49 miles apart - takes seven hours.
Owned by the Welsh government, TfW has been responsible for train services across much of Wales since 2018.
In a letter to a Senedd committee, Mr Price said TfW looked at a "wide-ranging assessment to examine how accessibility and connectivity can be improved on the west coast of Wales".
He said the options offered shorter journey times but were "very costly to develop and implement".
A north to south rail scheme would "likely to cost circa £2bn and would take over 10 years to deliver".
He added: "Therefore, these are all difficult to realise, even as a light rail scheme. The case for Bangor - Caernarfon/Afon Wen was stronger due to shorter route length and higher demand."
Transport expert Prof Stuart Cole said the plans did not offer value for money.
He said: "As someone who lives in Llanelli, nothing would please me more than to go by train via Carmarthen to Aberystwyth. But it doesn't have a sufficiently high rate of return in financial terms.
"The number of people living in the area of the planned route is too small for an investment of this size."
People in Carmarthen supported the idea, but questioned whether it was viable.
Margaret Jones said: "I know it makes sense for the businesses each end but it's a lot of money to pay for that especially as there are so many people living on the streets... that money could be better spent."
Branwen Evans said it would be "great" if it went ahead, but doubts it will "as it will cost too much".
Former Plaid Cymru leader Adam Price believes it could be paid for from spending on the HS2 rail project in England.
"We can do that of course if HS2 is re-registered as being an England-only project, which it is," the Carmarthen East and Dinefwr Member of the Senedd said.
"Even HS2 as it now exists we would get sufficient money invested in Wales so we could achieve this national important project."
Mark Davies from campaign group Traws Link Cymru said he was "surprised" at the comments made by TfW.
He said: "It should be noted that scoping and feasibility studies are yet to be completed for the northern section of the line and therefore it is not clear how TfW have arrived at the £2bn total cost."
Edit note: Two minor adjustments to quote marks, to improve clarity. CfN.
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by Red Squirrel at 15:18, 7th August 2024 | |
65% passenger growth for new electric bus route
New electric TrawsCymru buses running between Carmarthen and Aberystwyth have seen a 65% increase in passengers this year.
09 Apr 2024
New electric TrawsCymru buses running between Carmarthen and Aberystwyth have seen a 65% increase in passengers this year.
Launched at the end of March 2023, the new state-of-the-art buses carried more than 100,000 passengers in their first six months in service and more recently have shown an overall increase of passengers by 65% compared to 2022/23.
Each vehicle saves 3kg of CO2 per round trip, equating to nearly 13,000 cups of tea.
Promotional offers have helped encourage more people to use the sustainable transport service including a £10 travel all-day for two adults and two children summer group ticket, an integrated rail and bus ticket for cheaper travel from Cardiff to Aberystwyth and 50% off journeys during September’s 'Catch the Bus' month.
The Cabinet Secretary for North Wales and Transport, Ken Skates said: “This is great news for bus users and the environment. The introduction of these greener, modern, more comfortable buses has clearly encouraged more people to use the Traws Cymru T1 service and I'm grateful to everyone involved in making this happen.”
Mark Jacobs, Contracts and Performance Manager for TrawsCymru said: “Launching the all-electric TrawsCymru T1 service last year was a significant moment in the story of TfW and our development into a truly multi-modal organisation.
“Feedback on the new service has been overwhelmingly positive and the increase in passenger numbers demonstrates how an improved public transport offering can positively influence people’s travel behaviours.
“The success of the new T1 fleet is the result of an effective partnership with the teams at Carmarthenshire County Council and First Cymru, who have provided invaluable support to making this vital Carmarthen to Aberystwyth bus service the high-end public transport offering that it is today.”
Source: Transport for WalesNew electric TrawsCymru buses running between Carmarthen and Aberystwyth have seen a 65% increase in passengers this year.
09 Apr 2024
New electric TrawsCymru buses running between Carmarthen and Aberystwyth have seen a 65% increase in passengers this year.
Launched at the end of March 2023, the new state-of-the-art buses carried more than 100,000 passengers in their first six months in service and more recently have shown an overall increase of passengers by 65% compared to 2022/23.
Each vehicle saves 3kg of CO2 per round trip, equating to nearly 13,000 cups of tea.
Promotional offers have helped encourage more people to use the sustainable transport service including a £10 travel all-day for two adults and two children summer group ticket, an integrated rail and bus ticket for cheaper travel from Cardiff to Aberystwyth and 50% off journeys during September’s 'Catch the Bus' month.
The Cabinet Secretary for North Wales and Transport, Ken Skates said: “This is great news for bus users and the environment. The introduction of these greener, modern, more comfortable buses has clearly encouraged more people to use the Traws Cymru T1 service and I'm grateful to everyone involved in making this happen.”
Mark Jacobs, Contracts and Performance Manager for TrawsCymru said: “Launching the all-electric TrawsCymru T1 service last year was a significant moment in the story of TfW and our development into a truly multi-modal organisation.
“Feedback on the new service has been overwhelmingly positive and the increase in passenger numbers demonstrates how an improved public transport offering can positively influence people’s travel behaviours.
“The success of the new T1 fleet is the result of an effective partnership with the teams at Carmarthenshire County Council and First Cymru, who have provided invaluable support to making this vital Carmarthen to Aberystwyth bus service the high-end public transport offering that it is today.”
Apologies for the fact that this item is a few months old - Ed
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by grahame at 07:16, 21st October 2023 | |
From The BBC - video to watch
Trains: My 49-mile and seven-and-a-half hour journey
BBC Journalist Jared Evitts took the most direct route by train between two towns 49-miles apart. It took him seven-and-a-half hours.
Carmarthen and Aberystwyth are the two biggest towns in west Wales. To drive directly from one to the other should take about an hour and 15 minutes.
However, since the railway line between them closed in 1965, you cannot go directly between them by train.
BBC Journalist Jared Evitts took the most direct route by train between two towns 49-miles apart. It took him seven-and-a-half hours.
Carmarthen and Aberystwyth are the two biggest towns in west Wales. To drive directly from one to the other should take about an hour and 15 minutes.
However, since the railway line between them closed in 1965, you cannot go directly between them by train.
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by grahame at 04:58, 26th February 2022 | |
New technology funded and in use on the road that runs along this way - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-60525088
Developers of a trial using nappies to make roads say it could mean the surfaces last twice as long.
The project is being piloted in Wales, and it could mean fewer nappies are thrown into landfill.
Fibre from nappies is added to bitumen glueing together asphalt road surfaces.
The Welsh government is backing the project with £180,000 funding, and a stretch of the A487 between Aberystwyth and Cardigan in Ceredigion has already been replaced with the nappy formula.
The project is being piloted in Wales, and it could mean fewer nappies are thrown into landfill.
Fibre from nappies is added to bitumen glueing together asphalt road surfaces.
The Welsh government is backing the project with £180,000 funding, and a stretch of the A487 between Aberystwyth and Cardigan in Ceredigion has already been replaced with the nappy formula.
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by Sixty3Closure at 17:00, 7th December 2019 | |
I cycled from Carmarthen (well actually Pembroke) to Aberystwyth many years ago and a rail line would have been so much easier. Although not far in total distance trying to go north to south was really difficult. I ended up cycling it in not much more time than it would have taken to train it which can't be a good sign for public transport.
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by Oxonhutch at 12:57, 7th December 2019 | |
Curve to link lines at Minfforrd, regauging to just north of Tan y Grisiau, new curve to line through the existing tunnel to Roman Bridge, I suspect 
. Joining up successful railways. Who could possibly object??
. Joining up successful railways. Who could possibly object??Might be more popular to bring the rails south of Minfforrd and north of Blaenau closer together (say ca. 2') and power it with steam
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by Red Squirrel at 12:44, 7th December 2019 | |
I'll buy you a crayon-sharpener for Xmas...
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by grahame at 12:35, 7th December 2019 | |
Scanning through the Plaid Cymru manifesto, as you do, I came across this under 'Welsh Green Jobs Revolution - Communications Infrastructure:
I'm more intrigued by the 'second phase'... could they really be thinking of going over the hills from Morfa Mawddach to Rhyl?
Projects could include...
Creating a trans-Wales railway: connecting Wales' coastal communities by reopening the Carmarthen to Aberystwyth line together with a second phase linking our communities from north to south.
Creating a trans-Wales railway: connecting Wales' coastal communities by reopening the Carmarthen to Aberystwyth line together with a second phase linking our communities from north to south.
I'm more intrigued by the 'second phase'... could they really be thinking of going over the hills from Morfa Mawddach to Rhyl?
Curve to link lines at Minfforrd, regauging to just north of Tan y Grisiau, new curve to line through the existing tunnel to Roman Bridge, I suspect
. Joining up successful railways. Who could possibly object??| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by Red Squirrel at 12:30, 7th December 2019 | |
Scanning through the Plaid Cymru manifesto, as you do, I came across this under 'Welsh Green Jobs Revolution - Communications Infrastructure:
Projects could include...
Creating a trans-Wales railway: connecting Wales' coastal communities by reopening the Carmarthen to Aberystwyth line together with a second phase linking our communities from north to south.
Creating a trans-Wales railway: connecting Wales' coastal communities by reopening the Carmarthen to Aberystwyth line together with a second phase linking our communities from north to south.
I'm more intrigued by the 'second phase'... could they really be thinking of going over the hills from Morfa Mawddach to Rhyl?
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by Oxonhutch at 16:20, 20th April 2019 | |
And in 1963, you could more quickly access some of those destinations via Caernarvon ex the Premier Line
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by grahame at 15:16, 20th April 2019 | |
Looking though an old timetable (for posting in another thread), I note that at certain times of day the fastest way from London to Aberystwyth was via Carmarthen ...
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by CyclingSid at 14:13, 11th November 2018 | |
Is the next alternative the old Mid Wales line; Newtown. Llanidloes, Rhayader, Builth and Brecon. Bring them a bit closer to Cardiff. Apologies for English spellings, old brain can't manage the Welsh anymore (if it ever could!).
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by Sixty3Closure at 01:30, 10th November 2018 | |
Having lived in Aberystwyth and worked in Pembroke at the same time this would have been great rather than the very long bus trip with changes.
Apart from my personal requirements from 30 years ago though I think the proposal does raise some valid questions about North/South transport. As Red Squirrel mentions transport links to Cardiff are poor from the rest of Wales so there's maybe a political argument for it.
At the moment anyone from North and Central Wales has to take the very long route round. And while the population of Aberystwyth is low it is a university town with a lot of students from Cardiff/Swansea as well as tourist trade and the rail line could open it up a lot more.
I think the business case would need to be more about the wider social impact rather than the headline number of passengers.
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by grahame at 12:42, 9th November 2018 | |
A welsh friend once suggested that Cardiff was a rotten place to have as the capital of Wales because it is so difficult to get to from the north of the principality. Shrewsbury would have been much better, if only certain difficulties could have been overcome (like it being in England).
Logic might suggest the geographic centre of Wales - which is Carno.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-mid-wales-41241593
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by Red Squirrel at 11:35, 9th November 2018 | |
Hmm...
...it is readily apparent that the scheme does not present a positive economic case.
As such the scheme is only likely to be progressed in regard to wider societal needs, and strategic aims, the consideration of which is beyond the scope of this study.
As such the scheme is only likely to be progressed in regard to wider societal needs, and strategic aims, the consideration of which is beyond the scope of this study.
...or any other, at a guess.
A welsh friend once suggested that Cardiff was a rotten place to have as the capital of Wales because it is so difficult to get to from the north of the principality. Shrewsbury would have been much better, if only certain difficulties could have been overcome (like it being in England).
To get from Aberystwyth to Cardiff by train, via Shrewsbury, takes between four and four-and-a-half hours. The suggested running time for Aberystwyth - Carmarthen is 80 mins, so realistically (allowing for a change and 105 mins from Carmarthen to Cardiff) it should be possible to shave over an hour off that journey.
Ultimately, though, the population of Aberystwyth is broadly similar to Melksham's. This scheme is costed at around three quarters of a billion quid. Sadly I can't see how it would ever add up, unless they impose a one-off poll tax of £45,000 each on every man, woman and child on Aber...
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by IndustryInsider at 11:32, 9th November 2018 | |
Yes, there's a long list of reopenings that should be ahead of this one in the queue.
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by SandTEngineer at 10:51, 9th November 2018 | |
Interesting report. Noted that they are proposing the PENRYN solution for passing loop stations. However, my feeling is that trying to reinstate a railway after such a long time to modern environmental and safety requirements is a non-starter (just look at the number of road diversions and new overbridges required). Nice try though
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by grahame at 10:28, 9th November 2018 | |
Welsh Government draft budget for 2017-18 includes the following:
As part of our Budget agreement with Plaid Cymru, we are allocating £0.5m in 2017-18 to conduct feasibility studies into the re-opening of the Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway line and establishing a national cycleway,
£300,000 is allocated to the rail study. The aim is a 90 minute journey time. Only 3% of the line has been built on.
One day, maybe...
As part of our Budget agreement with Plaid Cymru, we are allocating £0.5m in 2017-18 to conduct feasibility studies into the re-opening of the Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway line and establishing a national cycleway,
£300,000 is allocated to the rail study. The aim is a 90 minute journey time. Only 3% of the line has been built on.
One day, maybe...
Report at https://beta.gov.wales/sites/default/files/publications/2018-10/aberystwyth-to-carmarthen-rail-reinstatement-feasibility-study.pdf
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by Noggin at 10:47, 20th October 2016 | |
Welsh Government draft budget for 2017-18 includes the following:
As part of our Budget agreement with Plaid Cymru, we are allocating £0.5m in 2017-18 to conduct feasibility studies into the re-opening of the Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway line and establishing a national cycleway,
£300,000 is allocated to the rail study. The aim is a 90 minute journey time. Only 3% of the line has been built on.
One day, maybe...
As part of our Budget agreement with Plaid Cymru, we are allocating £0.5m in 2017-18 to conduct feasibility studies into the re-opening of the Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway line and establishing a national cycleway,
£300,000 is allocated to the rail study. The aim is a 90 minute journey time. Only 3% of the line has been built on.
One day, maybe...
They're still continuing to ruminate over the M4 relief road, so a backwater railway line miles away from Cardiff has little chance I suspect!
A relatively cheap token gesture to placate the residents of west Wales I would suggest. The BCR is unlikely to be great, though a roughly costed scheme could be useful bargaining chip with Westminster.
Edit note: Quote marks fixed, for clarity. CfN.
| Re: Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by chrisr_75 at 00:36, 20th October 2016 | |
Welsh Government draft budget for 2017-18 includes the following:
As part of our Budget agreement with Plaid Cymru, we are allocating £0.5m in 2017-18 to conduct feasibility studies into the re-opening of the Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway line and establishing a national cycleway,
£300,000 is allocated to the rail study. The aim is a 90 minute journey time. Only 3% of the line has been built on.
One day, maybe...
As part of our Budget agreement with Plaid Cymru, we are allocating £0.5m in 2017-18 to conduct feasibility studies into the re-opening of the Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway line and establishing a national cycleway,
£300,000 is allocated to the rail study. The aim is a 90 minute journey time. Only 3% of the line has been built on.
One day, maybe...
They're still continuing to ruminate over the M4 relief road, so a backwater railway line miles away from Cardiff has little chance I suspect!
| Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway Posted by welshman at 00:15, 20th October 2016 | |
Welsh Government draft budget for 2017-18 includes the following:
As part of our Budget agreement with Plaid Cymru, we are allocating £0.5m in 2017-18 to conduct feasibility studies into the re-opening of the Carmarthen to Aberystwyth railway line and establishing a national cycleway,
£300,000 is allocated to the rail study. The aim is a 90 minute journey time. Only 3% of the line has been built on.
One day, maybe...
