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Re: Collision between car and train on the Looe Branch - 24 May 23
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [358744/27540/25]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:24, 23rd February 2025
 
I know: I was, as usual, looking for something else when I happened to stumble across this historic topic. 

Thankfully, the car driver in that particular incident was not seriously injured. Just a bloody nose, apparently.

Our frequent readers should know by now that the use of such clearly irrelevant images, in otherwise factual news articles, is something that winds me up somewhat.  It's just shoddy journalism. 

CfN.

Railway station could get 300 extra trains a week thanks to £1.75billion project
In "Swindon to Gloucester / Cheltenham" [358743/29941/38]
Posted by ChrisB at 19:47, 23rd February 2025
 
From Business Live, via MSN

Plans are underway for nearly 300 additional trains to pass through Cheltenham Spa railway station each week, thanks to a £1.75 billion hub project. Cheltenham MP Max Wilkinson met with Midlands Connect and rail executives on Wednesday to discuss the plans.

The Midlands Rail Hub project, valued at £1.75 billion, is set to provide approximately four million extra seats annually for passengers travelling between Cheltenham and Birmingham. This will be achieved by adding an extra four trains per hour on the route, two in each direction.

In 2023, the previous Government pledged full delivery of the Midlands Rail Hub, and in February last year, an additional £123m was allocated towards the project for detailed engineering designs. Construction is slated to run from 2025 to 2033.

Max Wilkinson said: "Cheltenham's rail connections are very important for our local economy. Improved links are vital for our town – primarily for business travellers, but also for leisure trips.

"Whether it's to the Midlands, towards Bristol, the North or London, we'll benefit from easier access to and from our town.

"I'm interested to hear more about the positive opportunities offered by the Midlands Rail Hub and other future Improvements too."

Paul Butters, director of communications at Midlands Connect, said: "It was great to meet Max, brief him on the plans and explain how the Midlands Rail Hub could deliver a massive transport boost for the town.

"Delivering faster and more frequent trains to Cheltenham would make a massive difference and we are working hard to deliver it.

"I look forward to working with Max in the months and years ahead to deliver this vital scheme for the region."

The meeting also included representatives from the West Midlands Rail Executive.

Re: Collision between car and train on the Looe Branch - 24 May 23
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [358742/27540/25]
Posted by LiskeardRich at 19:36, 23rd February 2025
 
No, it's one of their 'stock photos of a train' at Bristol Temple Meads again, isn't it? 

Your reply is almost as late as GWRs trains in Cornwall today   

Re: Heritage rail locations across the area
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [358741/29937/47]
Posted by Southernman at 19:08, 23rd February 2025
 
Please add us!

Yeovil Railway Centre  http://yeovilrailway.freeservers.com/

Re: Collision between car and train on the Looe Branch - 24 May 23
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [358740/27540/25]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:04, 23rd February 2025
 
No, it's one of their 'stock photos of a train' at Bristol Temple Meads again, isn't it? 

Re: Cancelling a ticket on the GWR app
In "Fare's Fair" [358738/27277/4]
Posted by chuffed at 17:45, 23rd February 2025
 
I too have been given the run around by GWR Cussed services. I applied for delay repay when The Bristolian out of Paddington was cancelled at six o clock one evening. Getting the split tickets off my phone on to the Pc was a logistical nightmare. When I  was asked for the same information a third time, I sent the reply in Times New Roman font size 72 in BOLD to show how annoyed I was. That got an immediate apology and  an up scale but no resolution yet!

Re: Clapham Common underground station panic - 5 May 2023
In "Transport for London" [358737/27476/46]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:45, 23rd February 2025
 
For completeness, here is their report from the RAIB:

Uncontrolled evacuation of a partially platformed train at Clapham Common London Underground station, 5 May 2023.

Summary
At around 17:43 hrs on Friday 5 May 2023, a London Underground train departing from Clapham Common station was brought to a halt by a passenger emergency alarm activation after smoke and a smell of burning entered the train. The train came to a stand with two cars inside the tunnel and four cars adjacent to the platform. The train’s doors remained closed. Around 100 of the train’s (estimated) 500 passengers subsequently self-evacuated onto the platform through the interconnecting doors between the train’s cars and the train’s windows, some of which were broken by passengers either inside the train or on the station platform. Station staff began opening the train’s doors around four and a half minutes after the train came to a stand.

The incident resulted in minor injuries being reported by a few passengers. However, it had the potential to have more serious consequences, not least because Clapham Common station has a narrow island platform which increases the risk of passengers falling onto the track and potentially being exposed to conductor rails and trains approaching on the adjacent southbound line.

RAIB’s investigation found that passengers perceived a significant risk from fire, and that they became increasingly alarmed when the train’s doors remained closed and they did not receive suitable information or see any effective action from London Underground staff.

An underlying factor to the incident was that operational staff were not provided with the procedures or training needed to effectively identify and manage incidents where passenger behaviour can rapidly escalate. A possible underlying factor was that London Underground did not fully apply and retain learning from a previous similar incident at Holland Park station. Additionally, a further possible underlying factor was that London Underground had not identified the risk of passenger self-evacuation from partially platformed trains, including those taking place at narrow island platforms.

Recommendations
RAIB has made three recommendations, all addressed to London Underground. The first relates to procedures and training to ensure that staff have clear guidance on how to deal with out-of-course events. The second relates to learning from previous incidents not being lost and to recommendations being tracked through to implementation. The third recommendation is that London Underground review its risk assessment processes so that the risks associated with out-of-course events and at specific locations are effectively identified and assessed.

Published 8 May 2024


Re: Heritage rail locations across the area
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [358736/29937/47]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:15, 23rd February 2025
Already liked by JayMac
 
Should funiculars be included?

Oy!  Mind your language! 

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [358735/29726/18]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:13, 23rd February 2025
 
I've said it before but rather than a frightening will be cancelled from the earlier report which has a degree of finality about it, and suggests it's not even worth checking back later, could we have a may be cancelled early caution system - rather like signals are not just red and green, but red, amber and green?

In the end it left on time

... which supports grahame's suggestion: how many potential passengers on that service were put off by that original report, and made (subsequently proving to be unnecessary) alternative travel arrangements, such as taking the car instead?

 

Re: Heritage rail locations across the area
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [358734/29937/47]
Posted by JayMac at 17:02, 23rd February 2025
 
Should funiculars be included?

Re: Heritage rail locations across the area
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [358733/29937/47]
Posted by grahame at 16:56, 23rd February 2025
 
The Oxford swing bridge I believe is an ancient monument, rather than heritage rail.

You spot the very issue of knowing where to draw the line.   What criteria should be used? 

Re: Heritage rail locations across the area
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [358732/29937/47]
Posted by ChrisB at 16:42, 23rd February 2025
 
The Oxford swing bridge I believe is an ancient monument, rather than heritage rail.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [358731/29726/18]
Posted by bobm at 16:34, 23rd February 2025
 
In the end it left on time,

Re: St Pancras plans for direct trains from UK to Germany - Feb 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [358730/29934/51]
Posted by Noggin at 16:13, 23rd February 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
The problem is not just passport checking but the need to scan all luggage. I use Eurostar 4 or 6 times a year and the security check always takes far longer than passport control. I wonder if these checks are really necessary. The Gotthard base tunnel is longer that the Channel tunnel and checks are not considered necessary for that.

When the Channel Tunnel was first opened, IRA terrorism was a significant risk, hence many of the security measures.

Arguably its still a major target - unlike the Swiss, we have been involved in a lot of conflicts over the years. 

Also, if I recall correctly, the Spanish have airline-style security on high-speed rail routes too.

Re: Cancelling a ticket on the GWR app
In "Fare's Fair" [358729/27277/4]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 15:21, 23rd February 2025
 
As is often the case, I've just stumbled across this topic while I was looking for something else.

Is it still an issue? 

Re: Heritage rail locations across the area
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [358728/29937/47]
Posted by grahame at 15:12, 23rd February 2025
 
Many thanks for all those additions and corrections ... which I will build into the updated and corrected mapping.  Some are obvious omissions - some I wonder where to draw the line.  I recall doing the swing bridge over the sheepwash channel and the old Culham stations on their open days and there may be logic to include those, as well as logic to say they are so rarely open that they should not be included.

Re: Didcot Power Station - events and incidents, ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [358727/14313/26]
Posted by Electric train at 15:06, 23rd February 2025
 
From the BBC:

Didcot collapse probe 'in latter stages', police say



The investigation into the deaths of four men in the collapse at Didcot Power Station nine years ago is moving "towards the latter stages", police have said.

On 23 February 2016 part of the old boiler house at the Didcot A plant collapsed, killing Ken Cresswell, John Shaw, Michael Collings and Christopher Huxtable.

Demolition News editor Mark Anthony said it was "a national disgrace" that their families were still waiting for answers.

Thames Valley Police said its joined investigation with the Health and Safety Executive "continues to make meaningful progress". The force said it was "actively investigating" offences of corporate manslaughter, gross negligence manslaughter and Health and Safety at Work Act offences.


John Shaw, Christopher Huxtable, Michael Collings and Ken Cresswell (clockwise from top left) died in the collapse nine years ago

It took more than six months for the men's bodies to be recovered and family members of the victims previously said they were finding waiting for the investigation to conclude "really hard".

Last year, Mr Anthony started a petition calling for a pubic inquiry into the time it has taken. "Unfortunately, it is not without precedent," he said, comparing it to the investigations into Hillsborough and Grenfell. "There's been no pressure from the Home Office or the home secretary to make the police at Thames Valley... get everything resolved any quicker."

"To date, the investigation team has collated and analysed over 6,500 exhibits, 90,000 images, and 230,000 digital media artefacts," Deputy Chief Constable Ben Snuggs said. "Over 180 hours of video recorded witness and suspect interviews have been conducted, in addition to the 2,812 statements taken."  He said while "a specific timeframe" for its conclusion could not be specified, they were "confident that we are moving towards the latter stages" of enquiries. "Our officers continue to provide regular updates to the families on the investigation progress, as well as to the Crown Prosecution Service."

Mr Anthony said: "The entire demolition world is looking to the UK, Thames Valley Police and the Health and Safety Executive for some answers, so that they can send in men and women to work safely. And nine years later, we still can't do that."

Olly Glover, the newly elected MP for Didcot and Wantage, said he was "putting pressure" on the police to make progress. "But also the investigation does need to be allowed to conclude in a way that gets all of the evidence to the surface," he said.

Site owner RWE Power said "Our thoughts remain with the families of the four men who died in this tragic incident. We continue to cooperate fully with Thames Valley Police."

The Home Office said it would not comment while the investigation was ongoing.



9 years is a long time, but it is a complex incident to investigate and the Police and HSE will want to go for the highest charges they can.  I suspect there are a number of executives and board directors member of the companies in position at the time are sweating. 

Prime Minister William Gladstone said 1868  "justice delayed is justice denied" it is used to describe the situation when someone who has been injured is not given a remedy in a timely manner, in the Didcot Power Station incident is it not better to get the right prosecutions and not just go for the easy and quick, I want to see CEO's, Board Directors, senior managers in the dock being held accountable and not just some poor lower managers and supervisors left to carry the can (unless they dod do something wrong of course)

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [358726/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 14:52, 23rd February 2025
 
14:47 Westbury to Swindon due 15:34
15:44 Swindon to Westbury due 16:25

15:44 Swindon to Westbury due 16:25 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

and now ...

14:47 Westbury to Swindon due 15:34

14:47 Westbury to Swindon due 15:34 will be starting late from Westbury and is expected to be 15 minutes late.
This is due to train crew being delayed by service disruption.

I guess that it was re-instated?  Not sure where the service disruption is - could it be the disruption caused by engineering works that mean the is bustitution from Westbury in the Frome direction?

I'v said it before but rather than a frightening will be cancelled from the earlier report which has a degree of finality about it, and suggests it's not even with checking back later, could we have a may be cancelled early caution system - rather like signals are not just red and green, but red, amber and green?

Re: Is it April 1st already ??
In "Across the West" [358725/29936/26]
Posted by Clan Line at 14:12, 23rd February 2025
 
The big problem with foam is that it deteriorates badly with age. They do a "squirming Irma" test on a new foam filled cushion and say it is good for use - but, what they don't do, is the same test on a 5 year old piece of foam which would rapidly leave you with a cushion cover full of powder............and no cushioning effect whatsoever.
I notice from the exhibition "blurb" on these new seats the only mention of passenger comfort is that it is "more comfortable" .........than what - a concrete picnic bench or an IET seat ??  The so-called "comfort scores" are nothing but a load of physical dimensions - generally meaningless comfort wise.  The rest of the stuff was written by Ed Milliband !

Re: Didcot Power Station - events and incidents, ongoing discussion
In "Across the West" [358724/14313/26]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 13:33, 23rd February 2025
 
From the BBC:

Didcot collapse probe 'in latter stages', police say



The investigation into the deaths of four men in the collapse at Didcot Power Station nine years ago is moving "towards the latter stages", police have said.

On 23 February 2016 part of the old boiler house at the Didcot A plant collapsed, killing Ken Cresswell, John Shaw, Michael Collings and Christopher Huxtable.

Demolition News editor Mark Anthony said it was "a national disgrace" that their families were still waiting for answers.

Thames Valley Police said its joined investigation with the Health and Safety Executive "continues to make meaningful progress". The force said it was "actively investigating" offences of corporate manslaughter, gross negligence manslaughter and Health and Safety at Work Act offences.


John Shaw, Christopher Huxtable, Michael Collings and Ken Cresswell (clockwise from top left) died in the collapse nine years ago

It took more than six months for the men's bodies to be recovered and family members of the victims previously said they were finding waiting for the investigation to conclude "really hard".

Last year, Mr Anthony started a petition calling for a pubic inquiry into the time it has taken. "Unfortunately, it is not without precedent," he said, comparing it to the investigations into Hillsborough and Grenfell. "There's been no pressure from the Home Office or the home secretary to make the police at Thames Valley... get everything resolved any quicker."

"To date, the investigation team has collated and analysed over 6,500 exhibits, 90,000 images, and 230,000 digital media artefacts," Deputy Chief Constable Ben Snuggs said. "Over 180 hours of video recorded witness and suspect interviews have been conducted, in addition to the 2,812 statements taken."  He said while "a specific timeframe" for its conclusion could not be specified, they were "confident that we are moving towards the latter stages" of enquiries. "Our officers continue to provide regular updates to the families on the investigation progress, as well as to the Crown Prosecution Service."

Mr Anthony said: "The entire demolition world is looking to the UK, Thames Valley Police and the Health and Safety Executive for some answers, so that they can send in men and women to work safely. And nine years later, we still can't do that."

Olly Glover, the newly elected MP for Didcot and Wantage, said he was "putting pressure" on the police to make progress. "But also the investigation does need to be allowed to conclude in a way that gets all of the evidence to the surface," he said.

Site owner RWE Power said "Our thoughts remain with the families of the four men who died in this tragic incident. We continue to cooperate fully with Thames Valley Police."

The Home Office said it would not comment while the investigation was ongoing.


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In "Pen and Quill (and keyboard)" [358723/29939/56]
Posted by grahame at 11:20, 23rd February 2025
 
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TravelWatch SouthWest Community Interest Company (TWSW CIC) promotes the interests of public transport users in the South West of England. Our "South West" comprises the counties of Cornwall, Devon, Dorset, Gloucestershire, and Somerset and the unitary authorities of Bath and North East Somerset, Bournemouth, Bristol, North Somerset, Plymouth, Poole, South Gloucestershire, Swindon, Torbay and Wiltshire.

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Re: St Pancras plans for direct trains from UK to Germany - Feb 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [358722/29934/51]
Posted by rogerw at 11:01, 23rd February 2025
 
The problem is not just passport checking but the need to scan all luggage. I use Eurostar 4 or 6 times a year and the security check always takes far longer than passport control. I wonder if these checks are really necessary. The Gotthard base tunnel is longer that the Channel tunnel and checks are not considered necessary for that.

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [358721/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 10:44, 23rd February 2025
Already liked by GBM, Chris from Nailsea
 
That has to be a first for Melksham?
A train terminating, then starting there!

A few years back there was a Sunday train from Westbury which was timetabled to terminate at Melksham and then return.  However in the end it was extended to Chippenham as it was reported you couldn't turn a train at Melksham as it "confused" the axle counters.   Perhaps that is no longer the case.

Not sure - there is "can't" and there is "CAN'T".

Trowbridge is a classic example - you can't turn a train arriving from the north there but yet it HAS been done when line to the south was blocked by an "incident".

 
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