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Re: Strategic Investment Plan consultation - Western Gateway - 20.12.24 to 2.2.2025
Posted by Red Squirrel at 22:20, 17th January 2025
 

As with everything it 'could' be done but a substantial cost both capital and on-going. For taxpayers.


If the railway was allowed to take a share of the value it adds to the areas it serves, we might find it easier to make the case for connecting more places to the national network. As it is, the railway can’t even take the rent for its own arches.

Re: New Adlestrop Railway Atlas update
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:18, 17th January 2025
 
In the course of my occasional 'tidying up' behind the counter of this Coffee Shop forum (I may move and merge, but I don't delete!), I found a couple of topics relating to my learned friend Richard Fairhurst's excellent Adlestrop Railway Atlas.

I've therefore moved and merged both of those topics here, purely in the interests of continuity and ease of future reference.  I recommend this Atlas to all of our readers, and thank you again to Richard for your ongoing work on it.

Chris. 

Re: Strategic Investment Plan consultation - Western Gateway - 20.12.24 to 2.2.2025
Posted by Southernman at 21:52, 17th January 2025
 
Dorset Metro ... mentioned in today's webinar and this from the Swanage News

Also a rail scheme called the Dorset Metro features high up in the list which would see extra train services from Wareham to Poole and Bournemouth, as well as an hourly shuttle service to Brockenhurst.

Perhaps the most welcome mention for Swanage residents is a regular rail service between Swanage and Wareham which has been on the cards for years but has lacked the backing of long term government investment. It’s now in the document as one of the high priorities.

An extra hourly service across the Bournemouth Poole and Christchurch area - giving a rise from 1 to 2 trains per hour at the lesser stations - would make sense.  Brockenhust is actually just outside the BCP (and indeed Western Gateway) ares but makes sense as the eastern destination - for passenger flows, for connections, and operationally.  With batteries on the trains, at the western end it is logical for them to start / end at Swanage.

Any proposal to extend main line trains to Swanage on anything but an irregular basis will run into precisely the same issues as those discussed to Minehead. Although from a quick re-check I couldn't see Swanage mentioned as a priority in the document.

Issues will be the Swanage Railway is fully occupied in the peak season with their own trains. Running earlier/later will involve staffing issues. Swanage is a 'Light ' railway subject to a 25mph restriction. Out of the peak season who would use these trains, especially (as with Minehead) there is a very good bus service used free (to senior passengers) or subsidised rate.

As with everything it 'could' be done but a substantial cost both capital and on-going. For taxpayers.

Edit: Fixed quotes - Red Squirrel

Re: Strategic Investment Plan consultation - Western Gateway - 20.12.24 to 2.2.2025
Posted by bradshaw at 21:44, 17th January 2025
 
A number of years ago a NR report indicated splitting the Castle Cary - Yeovil PM section by intermediate block signals in each direction, similar to what was carried out at Crewkerne on the WoE. This section is probably more important since it can also carry diverted GWR services thus it makes sense to provide a loop to allow the enhancement of the service.

This report is worth reading for a wider context.

https://www.greengauge21.net/connecting-south-west-england/

Re: Small railway footbridge takes longer to build than Empire State Building
Posted by TonyK at 21:00, 17th January 2025
 
Although there were plans for an Empire State Building in the mid-20s, the newly built Chrysler building forced the architect to redesign the plans to ensure that the new building would be bigger/better.


But that's another storey.

Re: Annoying / amusing use of completely irrelevant stock photos to illustrate press articles
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:43, 17th January 2025
 
I rather like one of the comments posted on that Metro article:

Well you managed to use a photo of the wrong train, got the journey length wrong and the number of stops wrong.

But, apart from all that, it was a quite good factual article.

Re: Millions of train tickets to be discounted next week
Posted by grahame at 20:40, 17th January 2025
 
Hmmm ...

I purchased an Interrail pass still to be used in the Black Friday Sale

I purchased my Penzance trip (and a couple of other shorter ones) a few days ago

Will my SO be happy with me if a purchase some in the rail sale? 
Negotiations have taken place  -- she has upgraded her iPhone ...

OK - in spite of a lot of the tickets not being particlarly bargains, some are ... and come longer days I have the odd longer trip.

Re: Strategic Investment Plan consultation - Western Gateway - 20.12.24 to 2.2.2025
Posted by grahame at 20:34, 17th January 2025
 
Dorset Metro ... mentioned in today's webinar and this from the Swanage News

Also a rail scheme called the Dorset Metro features high up in the list which would see extra train services from Wareham to Poole and Bournemouth, as well as an hourly shuttle service to Brockenhurst.

Perhaps the most welcome mention for Swanage residents is a regular rail service between Swanage and Wareham which has been on the cards for years but has lacked the backing of long term government investment. It’s now in the document as one of the high priorities.

An extra hourly service across the Bournemouth Poole and Christchurch area - giving a rise from 1 to 2 trains per hour at the lesser stations - would make sense.  Brockenhust is actually just outside the BCP (and indeed Western Gateway) ares but makes sense as the eastern destination - for passenger flows, for connections, and operationally.  With batteries on the trains, at the western end it is logical for them to start / end at Swanage.

Re: Travelogue observations - 23rd September 2019 - starting homewards
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 20:29, 17th January 2025
 
I've just stumbled across this topic, while I was looking for something else.  So, with my humble apologies for such a belated reply:

1.  Boston.  And (at least) one of those muskets laid out on that table is a British army 'Brown Bess', probably dating back to the American War of Independence.

Re: Annoying / amusing use of completely irrelevant stock photos to illustrate press articles
Posted by TonyK at 20:04, 17th January 2025
 
But it's a marathon, not a Sprint!

Re: report - recommendation to improve West of England line
Posted by eightonedee at 19:28, 17th January 2025
 
There was a very good summary from the redoubtable Paul Clifton on the BBC South News this evening. It made the salient point that whatever is done to invest in the West of England line, traffic on the A303 will continue to grow so the problem, unsolved, will continue to grow.

Re: Night Riviera - merged posts, ongoing discussion
Posted by eightonedee at 19:04, 17th January 2025
 
Thanks Mark - that was a very illuminating article.

One thing that surprised me was the comments about the noise problem with the diesel engines on the class 68s. I would have expected standards of noise suppression to have improved over the years. It also seems clear that class 68s will not be the apparently obvious solution to the traction future of the Night Riviera I assumed it might be. Would anyone be prepared to provide funds for a bespoke 6-axle solution? Sounds doubtful.

Re: report - recommendation to improve West of England line
Posted by ChrisB at 18:36, 17th January 2025
 
Oh, just another billion or so that needs magicking out of thin air from Mr Pill.

Re: Night Riviera - merged posts, ongoing discussion
Posted by Mark A at 17:39, 17th January 2025
 
A read from 'Rail' magazine from last July - a bit of detail on what's involved when those locos are put through a 'G' exam.

Mark

https://www.railmagazine.com/features-1/g-exam-gees-up-gwr-s-nocturnal-57/6s

Re: Annoying / amusing use of completely irrelevant stock photos to illustrate press articles
Posted by grahame at 17:21, 17th January 2025
 
From the Metro

The journey takes 13 hours and 20 minutes, covers a whopping 785 miles, and has been in operation for more than a century


Re: report - recommendation to improve West of England line
Posted by grahame at 16:26, 17th January 2025
 
Report is at

https://transportactionnetwork.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Connecting-South-West-England-Report-Web.pdf
and I have mirrored at
https://www.passenger.chat/mirror/Connecting-South-West-England-Report-Web.pdf

and note that they are happy to share subject to

© January 2025, Greengauge 21. Some Rights Reserved: We actively encourage people to use our work, and simply request that the use of any of our material is credited toGreengauge 21 in the following way: Greengauge 21, Title, Date

Richard Pill of BRTA writes

Dear All,
This report should be of interest to all associated with the South West Main Line out of Waterloo.

BRTA would welcome for the South West Line a review, audit and study with options for the following:
1. Reinstate the direct curves at Yeovil, in particular the one allowing Weymouth-Exeter direct running for example.
2. Reopen the Lyme Regis Branch enabling commuting off the main line for resort and wider dynamic socio-economic and environmental appeal.
3. Upgrade electrification, double-tracking and signalling and
3. Have longer trains/upgrade stations and platforms
4. Satellite stations around Salisbury need studying as well.
5. What scope for more freight and line-born freight in particular?
If you agree write to your MP in support of the report (email!): https://members.parliament.uk/members/commons
This line has been allowed to be a back-water and vibrancy and a new engagement is required.
I also remind folks that our Westbury Forum can also discuss this and wider issues, date, place and times via my colleague Simon Barber, but May onwards is most likely and listing will be here: https://brtarail.com/events/
BRTA membership is open to all and ideally we need local area reps to help forward our agendas locally and convene pub sort of forums to join and come forward please. Local activism and campaigns often make a difference, but can be thankless tasks for getting the proverbial 'ball' rolling!
I am sure Simon is willing to table forums elsewhere providing costs or donations can be provided and offers of a speaker at a venue, if voluntary is welcome to entertain.

Yours sincerely,


Richard Pill
BRTA CEO
https://brtarailvolunteer.blogspot.com/

Re: Return of the BRUTE?
Posted by Electric train at 13:45, 17th January 2025
 
If you follow the link to Amazon's source text (and why wouldn't you do that before posting?) it actually says 20% to 80% charge in just over an hour. So I didn't remember that quite right - a full charge (which  would hardly ever happen) would take well over two hours, as above 80% the charge rate has to be progressively reduced.

Amazon also mention 360 kW chargers, which at 400V 3 phase implies well over 500A. That's above the normal range per cable (e.g. for final distribution circuits feeding multiple houses), so a feed at 11 kV would seem appropriate - and necessary for more than one charger on a site. I'd expect an Amazon warehouse or a logistics depot to have one of those already.

Mercedes-Bend Truck, however, say they have 50, 200, and 400 kW chargers. They have been promoting megawatt chargers (MCS) but those are not quite here yet. The specification of the vehicle itself is for LFP (lithium iron phosphate) batteries of 621 kWh total capacity, 600 kWh usable. The maximum charge rate of 400 kW is set by the connector and cable; 1 MW will be possible with MCS. The drive is rated at 400 kW continuous 600 kW peak.

And looking at what DNOs say they can do, it appears that the limit of 400 V supplies is nominally 276 kW. That's 400 A per phase, which is the most a single final circuit from a substation is expected to provide. So for that power, you need a whole new circuit per charger. Higher rated chargers will need to be fed at 11 kV, in which case the limit will have more to do with the handling of peak load levels, local network capacity, etc.

Or use the same system as the GWR trial at West Ealing where shoreside battery bank is trickle charged from a standard 400V 3ph supply and the 400 to 800V dc is in effect dumped from the shoreside batteries

At 11kV the the normal DNO transformers are 315kVA, 500kVA exceptionally 800kVA larger 1 or 2MVA are possible however the 11kV network needs substantial reinforcement   

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 13:43, 17th January 2025
 
We were on the 2052 (or the 2144 from Oxford). Passengers for beyond Moreton were told to de-train at Oxford for road transport to be arranged. I strongly suspect it would have been quicker for them to just wait for the following train!

Re: Theale station - services, facilities / improvements, incidents (merged posts)
Posted by CyclingSid at 13:41, 17th January 2025
 
Well the BBC thinks it is a 10-year delay https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj3e0d1pgd2o

But it is now done.

Re: Westbury - engineering works from 24th December 2024 for 30 days
Posted by Mark A at 11:45, 17th January 2025
 
Trowbridge: catching a train twice in the last week, a bit after sunset.

The second occasion was beneath clear skies so, a good opportunity for some astronomy.

The first, a wet night and temperatures about one degree centigrade, so, time to appreciate that at a little before 5pm, the waiting room/booking hall/ticket office/loos were open.

The second time round all were closed, but there is provision of a couple of portable loos for rail travellers in a compound in the car park. They're not signed though, so people need to ask staff for them.

Two staff on duty both times, one on each platform, and then the various people marshalling travellers to the coaches.

If the infrastructure supports it, for the duration of the disruption, in the future, is it possible to operate the railway there as two single lines, bringing passenger services to the same side as the transfer to coaches, and keeping the other line for other movements? This would make things easier for the procession of luggage-encumbered passengers who headed across the footbridge from arriving trains.

Mark

Re: report - recommendation to improve West of England line
Posted by ChrisB at 10:28, 17th January 2025
 
From Greenguage21

The (Basingstoke-) Salisbury-Exeter line would also benefit from a switch from diesel traction to electric, which is currently working its way through the rail sector planning processes. The diesel fleet is nearing life expiry (40 years). The replacements would be much newer and better equipped but surplus-to-requirements electric multiple units. These would be converted to dual-mode battery-electric operation, and would be deployed on the Exeter line which would need to be equipped with a low cost discontinuous dc electrification programme.

The report set out who needs to do what to bring this programme into being. Maybe other highway schemes that appear to be going nowhere such as the Lower Thames Crossing should be the subject of equivalent ‘A303’ reviews. You can read the full report here

report - recommendation to improve West of England line
Posted by grahame at 09:25, 17th January 2025
 
Railway sorely in need of investment, study finds - reported by the BBC

The railway linking London and the South West of England is "sorely in need of investment" to offset the cancellation of major road projects, a new study has found.

The government halted a planned tunnel for the A303 past Stonehenge within weeks of winning the general election in 2024. It stated that the £2bn scheme was "poor value for money".

It also stopped other road improvements, ending a long-planned upgrade of the A303 to a dual carriageway "expressway" between the M3 at Basingstoke and the M5 at Taunton.

The new study recommends improving the parallel West of England railway line through Salisbury, "in the absence of a plan based on road widening".

It has been compiled by respected transport consultants Greengauge 21 on behalf of groups which opposed the Stonehenge tunnel.

Re: MOVED: The Wider Picture - making it wider, but also clearer, hopefully
Posted by grahame at 07:51, 17th January 2025
 
This topic has now been moved to 'behind the scenes' on the Coffee Shop forum, simply because its work has been done. I have moved and merged all of your posts into other, hopefully more specific, ongoing live topics for ease of future reference - nothing has been deleted.

Chris.

Wonderful - THANK YOU for all that work, Chris.  Can I remind members that all our public content is searchable too - the "Deep Search" box on the edit pages and the magnifying glass on the responsive / quick look pages take you to our search engine.  Increased processor power has allowed some improvements in our default search settings, so that first results should now be more thorough.

Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 05:35, 17th January 2025
 
Well, that was entertaining. Held at Oxford platform 4 for half an hour while a supposed signal failure at Wolvercot Junction was sorted out, only for the train crew to be told belatedly that the problem was actually at Norton Junction. Not Wolvercot.

And it caused a lot of disruption further west. RTT reports that nothing passed Norton between 21:07 and 23:13.

1W05 1953 London Paddington to Hereford ( : departed +28 (late from depot), skipped stops (as above), arrived Evesham +7, departed +87, at Norton 23:13, arrived Hereford +67.
1W41 2052 London Paddington to Great Malvern : held Oxford +32, arrived Moreton-in-Marsh +37, cancelled thereafter. Stock ran ECS to Shrub Hill.
1W43 2153 London Paddington to Worcester Shrub Hill : held Oxford +21, arrived +21.
1W45 2251 London Paddington to Worcestershire Parkway : held Wolvercote, arrived +15.

Up trains:
1P46 2056 Worcester Foregate Street to London Paddington : at Norton 21:07, OK.
1P06 2200 Hereford to London Paddington : held at Malvern Link (+24), at Norton 23:21, arrived +18.


Re: Heart of Wessex - strategic mayoral authority proposed
Posted by John D at 23:07, 16th January 2025
 
BCP (Bournemouth, Christchurch, Poole), which previously merged from its namesakes, has voted 43 to 12 (and 4 abstentions) to join the Heart of Wessex devolution group.   

It seemed joining the Hampshire, Southampton, Portsmouth, Isle of Wight proposal isn't happening.   
Historically (before 1974) Bournemouth and Christchurch were in Hampshire.

Dorset + Wilts + Somerset + BCP would comfortably reach Governments approx 1.5m population for devolved area, regardless of if Swindon chooses to join


Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 23:03, 16th January 2025
 
Well, that was entertaining. Held at Oxford platform 4 for half an hour while a supposed signal failure at Wolvercot Junction was sorted out, only for the train crew to be told belatedly that the problem was actually at Norton Junction. Not Wolvercot.

Re: England's Best Loved Lost Railway: The Somerset & Dorset Joint Railway
Posted by grahame at 23:02, 16th January 2025
 
Virtually all background music is irritating!
Unnecessary


Hmmm ... the TV is on in the background here, and the music behind it is giving clues as to when the detective is approaching the place the suspect id hiding.  I don't thing that the detective would be as effective in his job without the sound cues provided. 

Why England’s public transport system could look very different very quickly
Posted by grahame at 22:45, 16th January 2025
 
https://theconversation.com/all-change-why-englands-public-transport-system-could-look-very-different-very-quickly-247150

All change! Why England’s public transport system could look very different very quickly

The UK’s public transport system has been in a state of flux since the arrival of COVID. Lockdowns, social distancing and working from home all made customer demand for buses and trains dramatically different from pre-pandemic days.

So-called “black swan” events (rare, unpredictable with huge impact) have a way of forcing industries to restructure, and transport is no exception.

For when the way that society functions changes, the way that transport operates has to change too. And despite continued calls for people to return to the office, there remains little appetite from workers to do so.

[Good long article continues]


Re: North Cotswold line delays and cancellations - 2025
Posted by Worcester_Passenger at 22:26, 16th January 2025
 
20:52 London Paddington to Great Malvern due 23:13 will be terminated at Moreton-In-Marsh.
This is due to failure of the electricity supply.
Last Updated:16/01/2025 22:12
Arrived Oxford on time. Departed +32.

21:53 London Paddington to Worcester Shrub Hill due 00:01 will be delayed at Oxford.
This is due to failure of the electricity supply.
Last Updated:16/01/2025 22:27

22:00 Hereford to London Paddington due 01:15 will be starting late from Hereford.
This is due to failure of the electricity supply.
Last Updated:16/01/2025 21:39
Departed Hereford on time.

 
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