| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by TaplowGreen at 06:40, 11th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
News Thump nails it as so often!

https://newsthump.com/2025/12/10/new-state-run-body-to-be-responsible-for-making-up-excuses-as-to-why-great-british-railways-are-always-late/
| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by Oxonhutch at 19:30, 10th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Never a good idea to be wearing red in any kind of operational role on the railways, I've always thought
Yet out and about on the track operationally, we are only allowed to wear fluorescent orange so it can never be mistaken for yellow and green. Certainly never wear road workers' fluorescent yellow which does have a greenish hue under certain light conditions.
Also if the day warms up, never to hang up fluorescent outer garments, as they can't acknowledge a warning sound from a driver, and create unnecessary tension.
But certainly, a red 'flag' exhibited from a box should induce a dramatic, and highly disruptive, series of events on passing trains

| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by TaplowGreen at 17:18, 10th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
With a certain depressing inevitability I've noticed comments from predictable sources bemoaning that the Government has chosen a colour scheme for GBR that "panders to the far right"

| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by Witham Bobby at 16:59, 10th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I sure hope so - awful. Never a good idea to be wearing red in any kind of operational role on the railways, I've always thought
I turned-up at Witham box one summer afternoon for late turn, and Adrian, who I was relieving, had the great railway photographer Ivo Peters with him in the box. Ivo had brought along a friend, who was wearing a bright red shirt. I had to ask him to stay at the back of the box, out of the view of passing drivers. He'd been quite happily perched on the windowsill at the London end of the box - in full view
I wish I'd known more about Ivo at the time. It was several years later when I realised what a great photographer and friend of the railway that he was. Some of the pictures he took on that day are in "Railway Elegance", which covers (mostly) Somerset and Wiltshire in the 1960s and up to the mid 70s diesel days. Recommended. Particularly if you like the Westbury to Bathampton line
| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by IndustryInsider at 16:24, 10th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by ChrisB at 16:17, 10th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Arrgh - worse than the trains!
Meanwhile, the Bill received it's second reading today, with MPs voting 329 to 173 in favour.
Now into Committee Stage.
| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by TaplowGreen at 16:14, 10th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Here are the new staff uniforms, matching the trains colour scheme!
| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by ChrisB at 19:16, 9th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Simon Calder on X/Twitter
Great British Railways.
Rail minister Lord Peter Hendy:
A unified operator of track and train will deliver a better passenger experience.
Fares: pay-as-you-go around key cities; on longer journeys, dynamic pricing to manage demand.
And a new GBR ticket app
Rail minister Lord Peter Hendy:
A unified operator of track and train will deliver a better passenger experience.
Fares: pay-as-you-go around key cities; on longer journeys, dynamic pricing to manage demand.
And a new GBR ticket app
Oh happy days! Dynamic Pricing = the end of the Off-peak return then....
| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by grahame at 19:12, 9th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Not a fan of the new livery, it only looks right if the train is going forwards, and they spend half the time going the other way.
Indeed. You wouldn't see Siobahn Sharpe and her chums at Perfect Curve making that kind of schoolchild-error.
I suspect that the DfT was keen above all not to generate headlines about cost. Which may have worked; as far as I can detect the media has not reported it.
It's a very useful thing to have the public discuss and comment on - drawing their fire while other things that may be much more significant get passed through with less argument over them.
On the design - I was going to post that my wife could have done better - but I fear that might be faint praise.
| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by Oxonhutch at 17:26, 9th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Not a fan of the new livery, it only looks right if the train is going forwards, and they spend half the time going the other way.
To be fair, I think GBR will be reintroducing turntables

| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by Red Squirrel at 16:33, 9th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Not a fan of the new livery, it only looks right if the train is going forwards, and they spend half the time going the other way.
Indeed. You wouldn't see Siobahn Sharpe and her chums at Perfect Curve making that kind of schoolchild-error.
I suspect that the DfT was keen above all not to generate headlines about cost. Which may have worked; as far as I can detect the media has not reported it.
| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by broadgage at 14:47, 9th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Not a fan of the new livery, it only looks right if the train is going forwards, and they spend half the time going the other way.
| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by Western Pathfinder at 13:32, 9th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
That's a mess if you ask me ,far too harsh on the eye for my taste.
| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by ray951 at 12:25, 9th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
That livery is a mess, too many colours going in too many directions. It certainly wasn't designed by professionals, more likely it was the output of a group activity at a Dft/GBR corporate away day.
And have you noticed how the colours change direction i.e. in the photo the first three carriages have the white stripe raising on the right and the 4th carriage the white stripe raises on the left. How will that look on a train with an odd number of carriages, you'll have 3 going one way and 2 the other
Maybe the 'designers' don't like symmetry.| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by Red Squirrel at 12:25, 9th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I think the best silver linings to this cloud are:
* They saved money by assigning the design job to someone on Youth Opportunities (presumably)
* It probably won't last long
* Regions will get their own identities
| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by lympstone_commuter at 11:54, 9th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Hmmm - in my view, this simply illustrates how excellent the (current) GWR branding is.
| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by grahame at 11:38, 9th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
However, the Department for Transport said the “striking and memorable design” was developed in-house, to maximise value for money.
Just... yikes.
I recently commissioned an excellent designer to redesign parts of cycle.travel because I recognise that design is absolutely not my strength. That's for one little website/app, not for an entire nationalised railway.
Redesigning GBR in-house, with a team of people who have presumably never designed a train livery before, is reminiscent of the disaster when Marissa Mayer redesigned the Yahoo logo.
What we are talking about ... as on the gov.uk site:

Questions raised (some already in this thread) are such as
* How clean will it be kept?
* Does the logo turn around for running the other way?
* How will yellow and red striped for first class and catering fit with this?
* How will it look when multiple units are coupled and perhaps one is turned around?
| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by Richard Fairhurst at 11:17, 9th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
However, the Department for Transport said the “striking and memorable design” was developed in-house, to maximise value for money.
Just... yikes.
I recently commissioned an excellent designer to redesign parts of cycle.travel because I recognise that design is absolutely not my strength. That's for one little website/app, not for an entire nationalised railway.
Redesigning GBR in-house, with a team of people who have presumably never designed a train livery before, is reminiscent of the disaster when Marissa Mayer redesigned the Yahoo logo.
| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by Mark A at 11:03, 9th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Is it a bit dazzle camoflagy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzle_camouflage
How will this sit with signing that's carried by train exteriors? Thinking of stripes on carriages that denote 1st/standard class, wheelchair space, cycle space etc.
Also, the choice of white for the doors will put the spotlight on the effectiveness of the systems used to clean train exteriors.
Mark
| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by matth1j at 10:57, 9th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
And now -the new livery-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g9kx0je10o
..which looks like it has been designed so as to avoid Reform complaining about politically correct designs being foisted on England's travelling public.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g9kx0je10o
..which looks like it has been designed so as to avoid Reform complaining about politically correct designs being foisted on England's travelling public.
Paint job on renationalised trains ‘a mad dog’s breakfast’
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/bfc89bd6d8360dc6
Renationalised trains will be given a Union flag-inspired red, white and blue livery, the Government has announced.
State-owned company Great British Railways (GBR) is to unveil its branding on Tuesday, before it is rolled out to trains, websites and stations from next spring.
Stephen Bayley, founder of the Design Museum, criticised the new colour scheme.
Mr Bayley said: “It’s atrocious. A mad dog’s breakfast. A livery is branding and branding is all about associations and expectations.
“In this sense, they’ve got it right. It projects the values of the sponsoring organisation: artless, careless, clumsy, unintelligent and uncoordinated.”
Referring to Japan’s bullet trains, he continued: “Have they never seen a Japanese Shinkansen? That’s what a train should look like.
“We have some of the best designers in the world in this country. A pity they were not hired by Great British Railways.”
However, the Department for Transport said the “striking and memorable design” was developed in-house, to maximise value for money.
The new livery will mark a stark change from the “Rail Blue” colour scheme that defined publicly owned British Rail’s trains from the mid-1960s to the 1980s.
Christian Wolmar, a rail historian and author, said he found the new GBR livery “impressive”, saying: “I think it conveys an impression of speed. It’s elegant. It combines Union Jack colours, and I think it’s very important to have an identity.
“The design is bloody fabulous. I just wonder if it’s a bit too modern, whether they could have reflected at all on the past, but I have to commend it.”
The seven major train operators that have already nationalised have kept the branding of their previous operators.
The Government has said that existing train companies will rebrand as Great British Railways, a process that has now been brought forward to next year from the expected date of 2027.
Heidi Alexander, the Transport Secretary, said: “I’m immensely proud to unveil the new look for Great British Railways as we deliver landmark legislation to nationalise our trains and reform the railway so it better serves passengers.
“This isn’t just a paint job, it represents a new railway, casting off the frustrations of the past and focused entirely on delivering a proper public service for passengers.
“With fares frozen, a bold new look and fundamental reforms becoming law, we are building a railway Britain can rely on and be proud of.”
State-owned company Great British Railways (GBR) is to unveil its branding on Tuesday, before it is rolled out to trains, websites and stations from next spring.
Stephen Bayley, founder of the Design Museum, criticised the new colour scheme.
Mr Bayley said: “It’s atrocious. A mad dog’s breakfast. A livery is branding and branding is all about associations and expectations.
“In this sense, they’ve got it right. It projects the values of the sponsoring organisation: artless, careless, clumsy, unintelligent and uncoordinated.”
Referring to Japan’s bullet trains, he continued: “Have they never seen a Japanese Shinkansen? That’s what a train should look like.
“We have some of the best designers in the world in this country. A pity they were not hired by Great British Railways.”
However, the Department for Transport said the “striking and memorable design” was developed in-house, to maximise value for money.
The new livery will mark a stark change from the “Rail Blue” colour scheme that defined publicly owned British Rail’s trains from the mid-1960s to the 1980s.
Christian Wolmar, a rail historian and author, said he found the new GBR livery “impressive”, saying: “I think it conveys an impression of speed. It’s elegant. It combines Union Jack colours, and I think it’s very important to have an identity.
“The design is bloody fabulous. I just wonder if it’s a bit too modern, whether they could have reflected at all on the past, but I have to commend it.”
The seven major train operators that have already nationalised have kept the branding of their previous operators.
The Government has said that existing train companies will rebrand as Great British Railways, a process that has now been brought forward to next year from the expected date of 2027.
Heidi Alexander, the Transport Secretary, said: “I’m immensely proud to unveil the new look for Great British Railways as we deliver landmark legislation to nationalise our trains and reform the railway so it better serves passengers.
“This isn’t just a paint job, it represents a new railway, casting off the frustrations of the past and focused entirely on delivering a proper public service for passengers.
“With fares frozen, a bold new look and fundamental reforms becoming law, we are building a railway Britain can rely on and be proud of.”
| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by eightonedee at 09:21, 9th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
And now -the new livery-
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g9kx0je10o
..which looks like it has been designed so as to avoid Reform complaining about politically correct designs being foisted on England's travelling public.
Interesting to see if any local or regional variations are allowed/introduced (on the basis that the TfW and Scottish ones are "national" and will not change). From recent overseas trips, regional liveries seem to be a growing trend in Europe.
| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by a-driver at 07:26, 9th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
DfT has released details of improvements for nationalised operators under GBR
https://www.gov.uk/government/case-studies/gbr-improvements-train-operators-in-public-ownership-are-making-for-customers
https://www.gov.uk/government/case-studies/gbr-improvements-train-operators-in-public-ownership-are-making-for-customers
Not a highly impressive set of improvements for these nationalised operators, with several projects having been started prior to nationalisation.
| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by John D at 05:06, 9th December 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
DfT has released details of improvements for nationalised operators under GBR
https://www.gov.uk/government/case-studies/gbr-improvements-train-operators-in-public-ownership-are-making-for-customers
And new livery which will be on show at London Bridge today
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/all-change-the-future-of-british-trains-arrives-as-government-reforms-broken-railways
| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by ChrisB at 17:48, 11th November 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
It certainly does....
“It gives power to the mayors of the combined authorities,” Hendy said. “GBR must interact with them and must listen to what they say about the provision of services in their areas.”
I haven't read or heard about other consultees been mandated, so it looks as though we will need to open channels with the Transport Authorities of the Elected Mayoral areas once they are all established - if you want influence over your areas rail services
| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by grahame at 06:27, 11th November 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Interesting article in From New Civil Engineer
Rail minister Lord Hendy says he expects that rail reform will bring “more reliability, higher revenue and reduced cost” on the UK’s railways.
Last week, the government introduced its long-trailed Railways Bill to Parliament. This will establish Great British Railways (GBR) to bring control of the infrastructure and services under one publicly-owned entity that will be “responsible for coordinating the whole network: from track and train, to cost and revenue”, according to the Department for Transport. This, it says, will “create a simpler, more unified railway that delivers easier journeys and offers better value for money”.
[continues]
Last week, the government introduced its long-trailed Railways Bill to Parliament. This will establish Great British Railways (GBR) to bring control of the infrastructure and services under one publicly-owned entity that will be “responsible for coordinating the whole network: from track and train, to cost and revenue”, according to the Department for Transport. This, it says, will “create a simpler, more unified railway that delivers easier journeys and offers better value for money”.
[continues]
| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 18:02, 5th November 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
My thanks to ChrisB and grahame for leading me into something of a minefield here.

I suggest that we do have separate topics here, for such sections of the Railways Bill as attract specific comment.
Therefore, I have expanded the heading of grahame's topic, so that we can continue to discuss its implications in the context of the Railways Bill.
However, I am, as ever, open to other suggestions as to how we on the Coffee Shop forum could best deal with this whole subject. CfN.

| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by grahame at 17:11, 5th November 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I have merged two topics here, as they all relate to the same piece of proposed legislation.
So go on - merge Graham's here too....

I'm going to defer to CfN on this ... busy sorting out server load issues
| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by ChrisB at 16:41, 5th November 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I have merged two topics here, as they all relate to the same piece of proposed legislation.
So go on - merge Graham's here too....

| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by ChrisB at 16:40, 5th November 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
There are 9 sections under that one link
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/railways-bill
Graham has started one thread on one of the sections - Passenger Watchdog - and this was to be the start of a second before setting up all the others so that discussion was concentrated on the Government's sectioning.
Rather than concentrating all discussion into two or even one (if you merge Graham's here too) - I think it better to follow the Government's sections?
| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 16:38, 5th November 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I have merged two topics here, as they all relate to the same piece of proposed legislation.
CfN.

| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by ChrisB at 14:58, 5th November 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/railways-bill/railways-bill-introducing-and-designing-great-british-railways
| Re: Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by ChrisB at 14:55, 5th November 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/railways-bill
| Railways Bill 2025: introducing and designing Great British Railways - general topic Posted by stuving at 11:46, 5th November 2025 | ![]() ![]() ![]() |
So, here it is at last. In about an hour's time Heidi Alexander is due to introduce the Railways Bill to Parliament. This is only a formal step, and may not even involve much of a statement (ass no time is allowed for it).
Presentation of Bills
No debate (Standing Order No. 57)
Railways
Secretary Heidi Alexander
Bill to make provision about railways and railway services; and for connected purposes.
No debate (Standing Order No. 57)
Railways
Secretary Heidi Alexander
Bill to make provision about railways and railway services; and for connected purposes.
There was a long statement put out by DfT today - too long to summarise, but you may find interesting bits in it to quote. The key sentence is the last one here:
Declining public trust and pride in today’s railway are symptoms of a system which has lost sight of the very people and customers it is meant to serve. A railway that, for 3 decades, has been focused on contracts and codes rather than the needs of its customers and taxpayers.
Britain deserves a railway fit for its future. One that restores a lost sense of pride and rebuilds the trust of each and every one of its passengers, with a relentless focus on their needs and the growth of their communities. As Transport Secretary, delivering this change is one of my top priorities. This vision is already becoming a reality as we bring more operators back into public ownership. But the outdated model of franchising and structural fragmentation still inhibits how the railway is run.
To fix this, we will introduce a new Railways Bill to fundamentally reform the sector and establish Great British Railways (GBR) as its directing mind.
Britain deserves a railway fit for its future. One that restores a lost sense of pride and rebuilds the trust of each and every one of its passengers, with a relentless focus on their needs and the growth of their communities. As Transport Secretary, delivering this change is one of my top priorities. This vision is already becoming a reality as we bring more operators back into public ownership. But the outdated model of franchising and structural fragmentation still inhibits how the railway is run.
To fix this, we will introduce a new Railways Bill to fundamentally reform the sector and establish Great British Railways (GBR) as its directing mind.














