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Re: Where was Finn today, 15th June 2025.
In "The Lighter Side" [362335/30362/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 22:05, 15th June 2025
Already liked by Western Pathfinder, JayMac
 
A brilliant clip, from Celebrity Mastermind: see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln_4FmNwh5M 


Re: Where was Finn today, 15th June 2025.
In "The Lighter Side" [362334/30362/30]
Posted by JayMac at 21:36, 15th June 2025
Already liked by bradshaw, johnneyw
 
It is on or very near chalk.
Somewhere near Mid Hants Railway, there had the Retro Wheels and Rails event this weekend

VERY near the Mid Hants Railway. In fact, on it!

Finn and I were enjoying the retro weekend. He's pictured by the entrance to the old engine shed at Medstead & Four Marks station.

I'll maybe post more from the visit in the coming days. We did clock Walmington-on-Sea's finest patrolling Ropley station while supposedly 'guarding' an insolent German U Boat captain. Gunner 'Lofty' Sugden had apparently escaped the Royal Artillery concert party, made it home from Burma and joined the Home Guard.




I couldn't resist singing, "Whistle while you work, Hitler is a berk. He's half barmy..." when I walked past the U Boat captain. He responded in the correct manner...

"Your name vill also go on ze list. Vot is it?!"

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [362333/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 21:18, 15th June 2025
 
20:38 Westbury to Swindon due 21:23

20:38 Westbury to Swindon due 21:23 has been cancelled.
This is due to a late running train being in front of this one.
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Last Updated:15/06/2025 20:46

21:34 Swindon to Westbury due 22:16

21:34 Swindon to Westbury due 22:16 will be cancelled.
This is due to a late running train being in front of this one.

Re: Gone to the dogs? A look at greyhound racing's future - June 2025
In "Introductions and chat" [362332/30358/1]
Posted by grahame at 20:13, 15th June 2025
Already liked by Mark A, Timmer, Western Pathfinder
 
I'm unsure as to the travel possibilities on a greyhound (bus, maybe?)

We're straying into politics here methinks. It's a travel board.

Personal Interest aside, I have to agree somewhat. Better in "The West but not the West's trains?"

The design of greyhounds to travel quickly from one point to another, and issues of design that put performance ahead of regular day to day maximum availability, together with notes on safety, and preservation of the lucky few all have parallels of course.

Besides, a picture of a dog always attracts readers ...

Lulu ....

Where are you ...


Re: Bus Service 205
In "Transport for London" [362331/30357/46]
Posted by stuving at 20:00, 15th June 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
That is probably because Eurostar didn't want to respond. They would have seen the consultation

There is a very long list of "stakeholders consulted with" - over 500 of them - which I presume were actively contacted. It does not include the operators of any of the railway services relevant here, nor Network Rail (station owners and managers). (Abellio is named but that will be for buses.) ASLEF and RMT are, however in the list, as is National Grid. It's enough to start people muttering about judicial reviews!

Re: Gone to the dogs? A look at greyhound racing's future - June 2025
In "Introductions and chat" [362330/30358/1]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:51, 15th June 2025
 
... and we are posting here on a board clearly marked 'Introductions and chat'.  Quite coincidental to any of our mainstream railway or indeed other travel matters.

CfN.

Re: Where was Finn today, 15th June 2025.
In "The Lighter Side" [362329/30362/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:44, 15th June 2025
 




Finn is clearly grinning at me, in that picture, because he knows exactly where he was - but I haven't a clue. 

It's not Taunton. 

Re: Gone to the dogs? A look at greyhound racing's future - June 2025
In "Introductions and chat" [362328/30358/1]
Posted by ChrisB at 19:38, 15th June 2025
 
I'm unsure as to the travel possibilities on a greyhound (bus, maybe?)

We're straying into politics here methinks. It's a travel board.

Re: HS2 - Government proposals, alternative routes and general discussion
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362327/5138/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 19:35, 15th June 2025
 
From the BBC:

HS2 reports subcontractor over alleged fraud

The company building the HS2 rail line between London and Birmingham has reported one of its subcontractors to the tax authorities over possible fraud.

Whistleblowers made allegations over the way pay was handled for some construction staff on the high-speed line.

HS2 Ltd said last month it was conducting its own investigation, looking into two firms who supplied it with workers. The company has now also referred the matter to HMRC.

The firms in question were providing workers to Balfour Beatty Vinci (BBV), a contractor for HS2.

Transport Secretary Heidi Alexander is expected to raise the issue in Parliament this week. It is the latest difficulty to beset the troubled giant rail infrastructure project.

HS2 has faced myriad challenges and spiralling costs since it was first announced in 2009.

It was originally designed to boost capacity on the railways between the north and south of England but the last, Conservative, government decided to scrap the second phase of the project, which included building lines to Manchester and Leeds.

Earlier this year whistleblowers flagged concerns over the way some subcontracted staff were being paid. They said self-employed workers had been falsely declared as salaried staff, with "fake" payslips submitted at a higher payrate. The allegations were first published in the i newspaper in May.

One of the labour suppliers is understood to remain suspended from new contracts while inquiries continue.

An HS2 spokesperson said: "We treat all whistleblower allegations seriously and are continuing to conduct our own investigation."

The firm said it encouraged anyone with relevant information to report it via confidential internal channels.

The Department for Transport said last month it had "a zero-tolerance attitude towards fraud, bribery, and corruption" and would ensure any claims of wrongdoing were thoroughly investigated.



Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [362326/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 19:30, 15th June 2025
 

And for today ... the first train is replace by a bus because, as far as I can tell, the line is needed to run a more important West Country express that calls at Westbury, with engineering works closing the normal line through Pewsey. 


I am not sure if that was the case.   The up train from Warminster is usually timed to be on the single line between 08:26 and 08:38.    Today the Penzance train was slightly early and was on the line between 09:02 and 09:14.

The return service from Swindon is usually between Thingley and Bradford Junctions from 09:27 and 09:38.

I couldn't see any other reason ... and it was planned in well ahead and wasn't an "oops - we've no staff or train" on the morning!

Re: Where was Finn today, 15th June 2025.
In "The Lighter Side" [362325/30362/30]
Posted by bradshaw at 19:13, 15th June 2025
 
It is on or very near chalk.
Somewhere near Mid Hants Railway, there had the Retro Wheels and Rails event this weekend

Re: Looe Branch Line - timetables, cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [362324/569/25]
Posted by LiskeardRich at 19:02, 15th June 2025
 

GWR had years to address this issue when it was in their control before the DfT tightened their grip. Instead of doing so they left it on the "too difficult" pile.



It's never been within GWR's control.  That was the whole point of privatisation! 

It's been suggested on another forum that Liskeard-Looe is often the first branch to be sacrificed on a Sunday when there is crew shortage as it's the easiest one to bustitute.
It’s definitely not the easiest to bustitute.
Coombe Junction, st keyne wishing well, and Causeland are completely inaccessible to a bus. Especially the ones that GWR have on standby for Cornwall mainline and branches today (a 15m triaxle coach)

Falmouth has the sea shanty festival with huge queues seen today, they had 1 coach on standby which would have been as good as useless, how do you decide which 53 passengers to move, and upset the rest.

Re: Bus Service 205
In "Transport for London" [362323/30357/46]
Posted by ChrisB at 19:01, 15th June 2025
Already liked by grahame
 
That is probably because Eurostar didn't want to respond. They would have seen the consultation

Re: Where was Finn today, 15th June 2025.
In "The Lighter Side" [362322/30362/30]
Posted by JayMac at 18:52, 15th June 2025
 
South Downs, Sussex area

We're getting warmer. Finn wasn't in the South Downs National Park, but he was very close.

Re: Melksham's rail service - where are we, on the anniversary of being Beechinged?
In "TransWilts line" [362321/30162/18]
Posted by Mark A at 18:39, 15th June 2025
 
Travelling from Kingston to Bath, the tickets from the ticket office at Kingston were Edmondson(?) ones endorsed with words to the effect "Via Paddington and either Chippenham or Devizes". It would have been around 1969, so, some years after the route via Devizes ceased to be available.

That would have been the time the loco, I think a Warship, became terminally smoky after Swindon.

And it was possibly that trip, that on the return journey, passing Swindon, the sight of seemingly hundreds of steam locos, dead and having been there for some years, in the sidings on the up side of the line immediately after Swindon Station.

Mark

Re: Where was Finn today, 15th June 2025.
In "The Lighter Side" [362320/30362/30]
Posted by bradshaw at 18:23, 15th June 2025
 
South Downs, Sussex area

Re: Melksham's rail service - where are we, on the anniversary of being Beechinged?
In "TransWilts line" [362319/30162/18]
Posted by grahame at 18:09, 15th June 2025
 
Out of interest, does anyone know if there was ever a regular passenger service via the now-missing chord at Staverton? Would that open up useful options for local services?

There was - there were through Bristol to London (and verse vice) trains via Devizes. 

Yes - it could provide a local option and once the service via Melksham and Trowbridge has increased to hourly, it would be a further logical step. The biggest journey flows from Melksham are to Bath and Bristol but a service which compromised an appropriate Chippenham - Melksham - Trowbridge - Westbury service would IMHO be unwise in the extreme - throwing out the baby that's been growing for a new one.

Re: Bus Service 205
In "Transport for London" [362318/30357/46]
Posted by grahame at 18:03, 15th June 2025
 
Thanks for that - I have mirrored the full report at https://www.passenger.chat/mirror/end_205_report.pdf . I searched the document for "Eurostar" and didn't find any mention or response. 

Re: Where was Finn today, 15th June 2025.
In "The Lighter Side" [362317/30362/30]
Posted by JayMac at 18:01, 15th June 2025
 
Hmm.  From all that flint - somewhere in Suffolk? 

Too far east.

Re: Melksham's rail service - where are we, on the anniversary of being Beechinged?
In "TransWilts line" [362316/30162/18]
Posted by Red Squirrel at 17:59, 15th June 2025
 
Out of interest, does anyone know if there was ever a regular passenger service via the now-missing chord at Staverton? Would that open up useful options for local services?

Re: 2025 - Service update and amendment log, Swindon <-> Westbury
In "TransWilts line" [362315/29726/18]
Posted by bobm at 17:52, 15th June 2025
 

And for today ... the first train is replace by a bus because, as far as I can tell, the line is needed to run a more important West Country express that calls at Westbury, with engineering works closing the normal line through Pewsey. 


I am not sure if that was the case.   The up train from Warminster is usually timed to be on the single line between 08:26 and 08:38.    Today the Penzance train was slightly early and was on the line between 09:02 and 09:14.

The return service from Swindon is usually between Thingley and Bradford Junctions from 09:27 and 09:38.

Bed and Breakfast with public transport from bed to breakfast
In "The Lighter Side" [362314/30365/30]
Posted by grahame at 17:49, 15th June 2025
 
From the Press and Journal

There is one at the moment providing a bed on one side and you have breakfast on the other side.

Liverpool estate where 'some kids have never been on a train' - June 2025
In "The Wider Picture in the United Kingdom" [362313/30364/51]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:42, 15th June 2025
 
From the BBC:

A railway station planned for an estate where some children have "never been on a train" could make a huge difference to young people's lives, local people have said.

The Woodchurch estate on Wirral is to be linked to the rail network as part of a £1.6bn investment scheme.

Staff at Fender Primary School said that despite the estate being only four miles from the seaside, some children had never been there.

Discussions around building a station to directly serve the estate have been going on for more than a decade. The exact location of a station is still to be confirmed, and it is expected to take until about 2030 for planning permission to be given. Once built, it would link the estate to Liverpool and Wrexham.

Emma Simms, a staff member at Fender school, said: "A lot of the children do not have the opportunities to leave the estate whether that is for days out or holidays. We have conversations with children who have never been on the trains."

Staff at the school said a new station would cut down on travel time, open up school, university and job opportunities, and give children more life experiences.

Sue Lee, who has lived in the area for 20 years, feels the new station would bring more value and investment to Woodchurch as well as open up opportunities. She said: "Just trying to get off the Wirral at all is a tricky one. You can but then you have to go to Birkenhead to get the train somewhere. This just enhances all your options." She said her daughter was an athlete and in the past, sometimes they had to get taxis to competitions because there were just no other options. "A lot of children do not get off the estate," she said. "If there is something right there it makes it a lot easier to go to places they might not necessarily go to." However, there's still some scepticism after years of promises.

Maureen Cain said: "It's a good place to live, it really is and I think it will be really uplifted." However, she said: "Until it happens, no one will be jumping for joy. I think people get fed up and think that until it happens, we aren't going to be happy about it."

Wirral councillor Jerry Williams, who grew up on the estate, said connectivity was one of the most important issues on the estate. The Labour councillor for Upton said there was "a degree of isolation on a lot of the estate" and "to have a station there is really going to transform things".

When the funding was announced, it was welcomed by top politicians in Wirral. Matthew Patrick, Wirral West's MP and former councillor for the area, said: "People here deserve good jobs, better transport links, stronger schools and great leisure services."


Re: Bus Service 205
In "Transport for London" [362312/30357/46]
Posted by stuving at 17:41, 15th June 2025
 
TfL did put out a consultation - and I thought it got a mention somewhere in these pages about a year ago? Anyway, if didn't, I did hear about it & responded negatively, so the word was got out.

Not sure I recall the consultation from the Coffee Shop (or anywhere else) but certainly the press commented about it being consulted in London (or perhaps London and the South East) which perhaps wouldn't pick up the concerns of the long distance flows.   

I wonder if GWR or Eurostar responded to TfL's consultation - whether they were invited and their opinions on this. 

Press did comment that there was substantial negative response in the consultation but it's going ahead anyway.

Full details are in the consultation report - from the consultation's page. Both GWR and Chiltern did provide inputs; GWR's was this (not verbatim):
Great Western Railway (GWR) start by saying the 205 bus service provides good opportunities for passengers arriving via rail at London Paddington Station, to make onward journeys to London Marylebone, Euston, Kings Cross, St Pancras and Liverpool Street stations via Bus (and vice versa).
They say they do not support the withdrawal of service 205. Giving multiple reasons

• GWR note London Underground / Elizabeth Line Services operate to / from Paddington to stations listed above. But highlight a selection of passengers will choose to make an interconnecting journey via bus (i.e., on the 205). There may be numerous reasons, including the interchange onto a ‘tube’ service seen as challenging due to stairs or perceived unfamiliar environment of the Underground system
• Passengers with mobility impairments, luggage, buggies, or wheelchair users may prefer to utilise the bus connection for ease. Noting the current 205 service operates door to door at street level between key London Rail Termini
• Underground stations and accessibility. A ramp to assist with boarding is still required at London Paddington and Kings Cross underground stations. Passengers with mobility impairments, luggage, buggies, or wheelchair users may prefer to utilise the bus connection for ease. Also GWR note that Euston Square Underground station is step free in the Westbound Direction only
• The also flag that HS2 construction work in the next decade, at Old Oak Common, will mean services diverted to London Euston frequently. Having multiple methods of transport available for passengers to make the interchange to /from Paddington/ Euston will reduce obstacles resulting from this engineering work
• Also noted is the role of the 205 when the London Underground / Elizabeth route is closed during service disruption and engineering work. GWR feel that if the proposal went ahead, connecting journeys between National Rail Stations would be more challenging, with multiple changes required either via bus or alternative London Underground routes (such as Bakerloo Line)
GWR conclude by repeating that retaining passenger choice of two modes of connection options (tube / bus) between London Paddington and other key London termini enables confidence and ease for the passenger. Especially in the event of service disruption to either tube or bus. They a bus connection to remain between London Paddington and various key London Termini currently served by bus 205.

Re: Looe Branch Line - timetables, cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [362311/569/25]
Posted by grahame at 17:35, 15th June 2025
 


It's been suggested on another forum that Liskeard-Looe is often the first branch to be sacrificed on a Sunday when there is crew shortage as it's the easiest one to bustitute.

Probably true. It has the shortest journey time by road, good roads as well, so you don’t need a lot of coaches….. which would be a struggle to source on a Sunday, and the majority of journeys will be end to end. 
 
Indeed - and here's another comment I heard - think it related to Coombe Junction but it could have been Bere Alston - that there are staff members not strong enough to work the points, so that restricts who can be rotaed. If someone can answer to / talk to me on that rumour it would be appreciated.

Re: Bus Service 205
In "Transport for London" [362310/30357/46]
Posted by grahame at 17:19, 15th June 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
TfL did put out a consultation - and I thought it got a mention somewhere in these pages about a year ago? Anyway, if didn't, I did hear about it & responded negatively, so the word was got out.

Not sure I recall the consultation from the Coffee Shop (or anywhere else) but certainly the press commented about it being consulted in London (or perhaps London and the South East) which perhaps wouldn't pick up the concerns of the long distance flows.   

I wonder if GWR or Eurostar responded to TfL's consultation - whether they were invited and their opinions on this. 

Press did comment that there was substantial negative response in the consultation but it's going ahead anyway.

Re: Bristol Rail Campign - to Lydney on 21st June
In "Diary - what's happening when?" [362309/30363/34]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:14, 15th June 2025
 
All good - provided the Severn Tunnel is actually reopened by then. 


Re: Where was Finn today, 15th June 2025.
In "The Lighter Side" [362308/30362/30]
Posted by Chris from Nailsea at 17:10, 15th June 2025
 
Hmm.  From all that flint - somewhere in Suffolk? 


Re: Falmouth Branch Line - stations, facilities, services and improvements
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [362307/33/25]
Posted by RailCornwall at 16:41, 15th June 2025
 
I really don't accept that argument, there's sufficient time to get passengers briefed to cooperate quickly on Arrival./ Departure. The worst thing that caught me last year is the insane in my view shoving pax incoming from services from the west and the east at Truro into the main queue. Surely if you're in the network you shiuld get preferential treatment over those entering for the first time. Operating two queues has to be the fairest system.

Re: Looe Branch Line - timetables, cancellations, engineering work, closures and incidents
In "Shorter journeys in Plymouth and Cornwall" [362306/569/25]
Posted by a-driver at 16:32, 15th June 2025
 

It's been suggested on another forum that Liskeard-Looe is often the first branch to be sacrificed on a Sunday when there is crew shortage as it's the easiest one to bustitute.

Probably true. It has the shortest journey time by road, good roads as well, so you don’t need a lot of coaches….. which would be a struggle to source on a Sunday, and the majority of journeys will be end to end.   

 
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