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Re: Candidate for redoubling? AQ 13.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369426/31251/30]
Posted by ChrisB at 11:33, 13th December 2025
 
5. Barnstaple?

Re: Bath Spa - call for electrification.
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369425/31246/21]
Posted by Mark A at 11:29, 13th December 2025
 
Could new trains(a cheaper option?) on the London to Bristol route be run batteries between Bathampton and Oldfield Park?

If the trains have batteries for more substantial parts of their journeys, there may be potential to explore the option.  To my mind, though, having London to Bristol expresses equipped with batteries just for four or five miles doesn't feel economicaly sensible.

I quoted the comments on the original post to show just how complex the situation is, and how under informed some of the public are - no fault of their own; bright people just to experts in this complex world of railway provision and operation.  I am struck by the irony of road vehicles being required to be clean through Bath in a way that trains are not, and the comment about the smell from passing Cardiff -> Portsmouth trains. Perhaps those (and the short runs on the same line) are a case for batteries initially, rather than the London trains for which I suggest that full electrification might be the better solution.

Below-the-fold comments on the social media posts of politicians are often toxic. Stepping away from the exceptionalism that prompts people to think of the railway through Bath as though it's different from any other stretch of line, people seem to have settled into being ok with the fact that electrification of the UK's rail system has been increasingly  badly handled. In England, no rolling programme of electrication, something that lowers costs and builds/maintains skills. In the west country we've ended up saddled with the sub-optimal situation where we have expensive dual-fuel trains and electrification that doesn't extend to Oxford, Bristol or Swansea. We're building an entire new railway whose trains will run on diesel and without so much as putting in foundations for the electrification that it will need. This approach really curtails opportunities for the railway to excel in what it does. Diesel exhaust from railway trains is the smell of a legacy transport system, and it should really be fading fast by now.

How to pay for it? Day to day we already are, in terms of increased overheads, and not of the electrification variety.

Mark


Re: Bath Christmas Market - 27 November to 14 December 2025
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369424/30828/21]
Posted by Timmer at 11:22, 13th December 2025
 
Last day of the Bath Christmas market tomorrow. It’s also the first day of the winter timetable with the reduced Bristol to London timetable:

Could have been a problem with capacity except for the line between Castle Cary and Taunton is still closed for engineering work meaning London to WoE services are still being diverted via Bristol.

By having these trains call at Bath Spa, GWR is able to provide a half hourly service throughout the day from and to London.

Some afternoon and evening trains up from the Southwest might be cozy from Bath, but at least those boarding earlier in the journey will get a seat.


Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369423/29726/18]
Posted by grahame at 11:19, 13th December 2025
 
09:53 Westbury to Swindon due 10:36 has been cancelled.
This is due to a passenger being taken ill on this train.

11:05 Swindon to Westbury due 11:48 will be cancelled.
This is due to a passenger being taken ill on this train.

12:17 Westbury to Swindon due 13:01 will be cancelled.
This is due to a passenger being taken ill on this train.

13:13 Swindon to Westbury due 13:55 will be cancelled.
This is due to a passenger being taken ill on this train.

5M15 ECS on it’s way from Westbury to Bristol….
Will a replacement train be sourced?

Im just back from the station ... writeup to follow when thawed and coffee ...

Re: Bollards ...
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369422/31250/21]
Posted by Ralph Ayres at 10:59, 13th December 2025
 
Cue complaints from motorists who claim not to have seen/understood the replacement signs.  It does sound like Avon Fire Service's mapping database hasn't been kept up to date, or they'd have approached from a different direction, which may take fractionally longer but wouldn't involve finishing the journey on foot.  Presumably fire brigades and local authorities are meant to liaise on such things, as they surely must do for new roads or buildings. 

Re: (Duke of ?) Mayflower
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [369421/31248/47]
Posted by Clan Line at 10:56, 13th December 2025
 
The return was even more impressive, although running nearly hour late, saw it pass through Bradford on Avon

61306 Mayflower and 71000 Duke of Gloucester.  Double heading.


B****r !          missed that !

There is a you tube video of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9rdvwiNeKg


Don't rub it in !

Re: Candidate for redoubling? AQ 13.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369420/31251/30]
Posted by Western Pathfinder at 10:25, 13th December 2025
 
6. Sea Mills.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369419/29726/18]
Posted by brooklea at 10:22, 13th December 2025
 
09:53 Westbury to Swindon due 10:36 has been cancelled.
This is due to a passenger being taken ill on this train.

11:05 Swindon to Westbury due 11:48 will be cancelled.
This is due to a passenger being taken ill on this train.

12:17 Westbury to Swindon due 13:01 will be cancelled.
This is due to a passenger being taken ill on this train.

13:13 Swindon to Westbury due 13:55 will be cancelled.
This is due to a passenger being taken ill on this train.

5M15 ECS on it’s way from Westbury to Bristol….
Will a replacement train be sourced?

Re: Candidate for redoubling? AQ 13.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369418/31251/30]
Posted by brooklea at 09:57, 13th December 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
8. Chandler’s Ford
Six miles of line singled in 1972, but crucially with double track sections at either end to allow a train to be held off the mainline whilst awaiting it’s turn to travel along the single line. Retained for freight and diversionary use, but an hourly passenger service reinstated in 2003. Seems to work relatively well as it is at present, so I wouldn’t have thought a high priority for re-doubling, especially with the cost of providing a second platform at Chandler’s Ford.

Re: (Duke of ?) Mayflower
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [369417/31248/47]
Posted by John D at 09:49, 13th December 2025
Already liked by Chris from Nailsea
 
The return was even more impressive, although running nearly hour late, saw it pass through Bradford on Avon

61306 Mayflower and 71000 Duke of Gloucester.  Double heading.


B****r !          missed that !

There is a you tube video of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9rdvwiNeKg

Re: Candidate for redoubling? AQ 13.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369416/31251/30]
Posted by RobT at 08:56, 13th December 2025
 
3. Newquay, recently redoubled.

Re: Swindon <-> Westbury service updates and amendments, ongoing discussion - 2025
In "TransWilts line" [369415/29726/18]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 08:54, 13th December 2025
 
16:23 Westbury to Swindon due 17:05
16:23 Westbury to Swindon due 17:05 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

17:44 Swindon to Westbury due 18:25
17:44 Swindon to Westbury due 18:25 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

18:38 Westbury to Swindon due 19:22
18:38 Westbury to Swindon due 19:22 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

19:44 Swindon to Westbury due 20:29
19:44 Swindon to Westbury due 20:29 will be cancelled.
This is due to a shortage of train crew.

Re: Candidate for redoubling? AQ 13.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369414/31251/30]
Posted by Oxonhutch at 08:36, 13th December 2025
 
4: Melksham

Cancellations of local trains prolific due to rerouting of long distance services and low capacity/long single block section. Doubling or long dynamic loops would alleviate this problem.

Re: (Duke of ?) Mayflower
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [369413/31248/47]
Posted by Clan Line at 08:35, 13th December 2025
 
The return was even more impressive, although running nearly hour late, saw it pass through Bradford on Avon

61306 Mayflower and 71000 Duke of Gloucester.  Double heading.


B****r !          missed that !

Re: First Bus pulling out of Cornwall, 14.2.2026
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [369412/31133/5]
Posted by GBM at 08:22, 13th December 2025
 
A very interesting piece on Facebook by KernowSpace suggesting that all may not be quite as First have suggested.  There is an exceptionally strong copyright statement on the piece - strange when it says it's just presenting the real facts - but because of that strong statement I'm not going to antagonise by quoting even a short section for critical comment.  Of course, Coffee Shop members in the know are very welcome to follow up directly here should they wish.

Kernow space has had an agenda for quite a while against First bus. Some of his postings are valid, albeit perhaps not gone about in the best way. Some couldn’t be further from fact if he tried.
I have my own views on several of the 'Managers', more so in the more recent times than past.
Each to their own!

Re: Candidate for redoubling? AQ 13.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369411/31251/30]
Posted by bradshaw at 08:12, 13th December 2025
 
1 Yetminster station.
It still shows evidence of he broad gauge with the distance between the platforms. It was first doubled in 1859 to ease congestion of the steeply inclined section to Holywell Tunnel and Evershot.

Re: Bath Spa - call for electrification.
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369410/31246/21]
Posted by Timmer at 08:11, 13th December 2025
Already liked by GBM, Western Pathfinder
 
I did laugh at the ‘you can taste the Cardiff to Portsmouth diesels as they go past’. Oh please!!  That’s nothing compared to the original Valenta engines on an HST or the various other diesel locos that used to pass through Bath such as 37s, 47s and 50s when I was growing up. Happy days 

Re: OTD - 12 December 1988 Clapham Junction rail crash
In "Railway History and related topics" [369409/31244/55]
Posted by Electric train at 07:53, 13th December 2025
Already liked by GBM, Mark A, Chris from Nailsea, PrestburyRoad
 
I remember being so shocked at this accident.  Watching the pictures on tv news left me feeling sick and numb.  How on earth could this have happened?

I think it turned out that recent upgrade work in a nearby S&T cabinet had not been done properly and hadn't been checked and tested.  This led to big changes in the process and culture of new works being done on the railway

The report said work was being staged, couple of weekends apart.  The new signalling was installed correctly, but a feed wire to the removed signalling was just undone and left loose (it was not removed because circuit was powering a part that had not been changed).  Someone knocked this bare wire and it came into contact with the signals in question giving false display. 

The accident came down to lazy approach of not insulating an old wire that was retained temporarily and was going to be stripped out few weeks later.  Ironically had the work all been done in one big changeover as had been done in 1936 when the signalling was changed to colour lights, the old circuit would have been dead and no wrong signals displayed.

The trains did not have anti climb units (serrated panels that engage) on ends of underframes, were old mk1 design with separate underframes, no bright taillights which reflect off the rails (just red bars in headcode box), and had no emergency radio to signallers unlike today.   So lot has changed.

If I recall the events correctly.
The re-signalling works was being carried out in the main by BR S&T teams the small install team BR had was bolstered by overtime by local S&T maintenance techs.  This was not uncommon at the time.

The wiring had been disconnected from a relay style referred to a "jam jars" these relays were a glass jar (later ones plastic) which allows the contacts to be observed, however the terminal studs come out of the insulated "lid".  During the staged works wires had been disconnected and held up to the wiring harness with PVC insulating tape, possibly having been used before (budgets were tight in BR days and I am not joking I was working at the time for BR as electrician on the WR often getting essentials such as insulating tape, hacksaw blade etc has a challenge)

The insulating tape came unwrapped and the wire dropped onto a relay terminal.  The terminal connections had not been cut off or insulated with tape, if it had been taped the tape had fallen off.

There were a number of things that all came together to cause this disaster
The excessive working hours of BR staff tolerated and indeed expected by senior BR managers and engineers in what we now call safety critical rolls. 
No clear identification of out of service equipment / wiring, now a colour scheme is used, (green = to go / remove, blue =  modified, red = new to be installed). 
The use of PVC insulating tape to hold up removed wiring, not insulating disconnected wire terminals and terminations, today clear neoprene tubing is used to insulate out of service wire terminal; were possible redundant wiring should be cut back / removed at the time it is taken out of use.
No "independent" checks of the work carried out before return / entry into service, the S&T now have SMTH (Signalling Maintenance Testing Handbook) and STHB (Signalling Testing Handbook) and the implementation  IRSE Licencing (Institution of Railway Signal Engineers) for all involved in railway signalling design, maintenance, installation and testing

Re: (Duke of ?) Mayflower
In "Heritage railways, Railtours, buses, canals, steamships and other public transport based attractions" [369408/31248/47]
Posted by John D at 07:46, 13th December 2025
 
The return was even more impressive, although running nearly hour late, saw it pass through Bradford on Avon

61306 Mayflower and 71000 Duke of Gloucester.  Double heading.

Plenty of whistles too (presumably to advice second loco driver when to brake and accelerate etc)

My understanding is Duke had a problem on Wednesday, was rectified at Bristol and they opted to double headed the train to Three Bridges to return the loco.

Re: Candidate for redoubling? AQ 13.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369407/31251/30]
Posted by Electric train at 07:15, 13th December 2025
 
0 - Maidenhead-Marlow?
No cannot be, the line was never doubled apart form loops at Cookham Bourne End stations, and a short section North from Maidenhead station to Grenfell rd bridge

Re: Candidate for redoubling? AQ 13.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369406/31251/30]
Posted by grahame at 07:14, 13th December 2025
 
0 - Maidenhead-Marlow?

It isn't.  I confess to not knowing if the Maidenhead to Bourne End and to Marlow line ever was double and / or whether there were loops on it; I did wonder about looking for a picture in my old set ...

As a (re) doubling candidate or scope for alternative capacity provision, this would be an interesting one. As it is, to get trains up to a 30 minute frequency passengers are required to change trains 'half way' along - a solution which I have also seen adopted in Slovakia but at which shudder at the thought if it were brought to the TransWilts.

Re: Candidate for redoubling? AQ 13.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369405/31251/30]
Posted by TaplowGreen at 07:06, 13th December 2025
 
0 - Maidenhead-Marlow?

Re: Bath Spa - call for electrification.
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369404/31246/21]
Posted by grahame at 06:46, 13th December 2025
Already liked by Mark A
 
Could new trains(a cheaper option?) on the London to Bristol route be run batteries between Bathampton and Oldfield Park?

If the trains have batteries for more substantial parts of their journeys, there may be potential to explore the option.  To my mind, though, having London to Bristol expresses equipped with batteries just for four or five miles doesn't feel economicaly sensible.

I quoted the comments on the original post to show just how complex the situation is, and how under informed some of the public are - no fault of their own; bright people just to experts in this complex world of railway provision and operation.  I am struck by the irony of road vehicles being required to be clean through Bath in a way that trains are not, and the comment about the smell from passing Cardiff -> Portsmouth trains. Perhaps those (and the short runs on the same line) are a case for batteries initially, rather than the London trains for which I suggest that full electrification might be the better solution.

Re: ORR station usage data
In "Across the West" [369403/31203/26]
Posted by grahame at 06:37, 13th December 2025
 
I was interested in a past year to see which stations had the heaviest footfall per metre of operational platform and recall that Windsor and Eton Central bubbled up to being one of the busiest.  In GWR land, I would imagine that stations such as St Bureaux Ferry Road come towards the quietest; on a couple of uses the infrequent service there competes poorly with a frequent and quite fast bus service along the nearby main road.

Re: Bath Spa - call for electrification.
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369402/31246/21]
Posted by infoman at 06:35, 13th December 2025
 
Could new trains(a cheaper option?) on the London to Bristol route be run batteries between Bathampton and Oldfield Park?

Candidate for redoubling? AQ 13.12.2025
In "The Lighter Side" [369401/31251/30]
Posted by grahame at 06:25, 13th December 2025
 
Many railway lines that were once two tracks were reduced to a single track in the middle of the last century, and in some cases we may look back and say that the decision to reduce the infrastructure has stood the test of time.  In other cases, the capacity reduction is unfortunate for current times some 60 years later and some re-doubling has taken place.  Can you identify these locations and suggest which might benefit from a second track being relayed?

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Re: First Bus pulling out of Cornwall, 14.2.2026
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [369400/31133/5]
Posted by grahame at 06:09, 13th December 2025
 
A very interesting piece on Facebook by KernowSpace suggesting that all may not be quite as First have suggested.  There is an exceptionally strong copyright statement on the piece - strange when it says it's just presenting the real facts - but because of that strong statement I'm not going to antagonise by quoting even a short section for critical comment.  Of course, Coffee Shop members in the know are very welcome to follow up directly here should they wish.

Kernow space has had an agenda for quite a while against First bus. Some of his postings are valid, albeit perhaps not gone about in the best way. Some couldn’t be further from fact if he tried.

Thank you for that much more measured view,  which aligns much more closely with what we saw at the time that First (Bus) pulled out of our area.   Just as the people of parts of Cornwall are concerned at the losses and disconnects that would come with the closure without alternative of certain services, so were we.  That's five years ago now, and hindsight and experience tells me that we're now more appropriately served by a single operator rather than two who were both trying to make a living/profit over routes and flows that could not support both.   Strong lobbying at the time and the services added to fill the gaps were appropriate - how much effect our lobbying had and how much that would have been done anyway, I don't know.

Re: First Bus pulling out of Cornwall, 14.2.2026
In "Buses and other ways to travel" [369399/31133/5]
Posted by LiskeardRich at 23:52, 12th December 2025
 
A very interesting piece on Facebook by KernowSpace suggesting that all may not be quite as First have suggested.  There is an exceptionally strong copyright statement on the piece - strange when it says it's just presenting the real facts - but because of that strong statement I'm not going to antagonise by quoting even a short section for critical comment.  Of course, Coffee Shop members in the know are very welcome to follow up directly here should they wish.

Kernow space has had an agenda for quite a while against First bus. Some of his postings are valid, albeit perhaps not gone about in the best way. Some couldn’t be further from fact if he tried.

Re: Bath Spa - call for electrification.
In "Bristol (WECA) Commuters" [369398/31246/21]
Posted by anthony215 at 23:03, 12th December 2025
 
Its long overdue wiring from filton and Chippenham to Bristol TM and Parson street

Re: Marazion Flooding
In "London to the West" [369397/31247/12]
Posted by Mark A at 21:19, 12th December 2025
Already liked by Western Pathfinder
 
It'd be good to know more about this and what has precipitated it.

Mark

 
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